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Has anyone ever tried bouncy balls for billiard manipulation. I find they’re easy to manipulate, just the right size if you get the larger ones and I’ve found a way of doing it without the gaff. I won’t say how here, but it’s kind of interesting. Has anyone else tried this. E-mail me if you’re interested.



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I saw your post and went out to get some to try and you're right. I had been having some problems with ball flourishes and the bouncy balls are just sticky enough to help me learn. Although I was getting good exercise bending over to get the ones I dropped Smile
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Glad you’re enjoying them. I’m having a blast myself. They just stay in my fingers so easily. But boy is it hard producing them without the gaff. Of course, I’m sure you could always make a gaff. Smile



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So far I’ve ruined about 10 balls trying to make my own gaff. No success yet, but getting closer Smile
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Good luck. That's what always happened to me. Smile



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Oscar Munoz does an very good billiard ball routine with bouncy balls, including a 4 balls to 1 in a single move.

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Cool, I'd like to see that. In fact I'm working on that. Didn't know someone already beat me too it.



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Sounds interesting guys, but could someone explain what exactly a bouncy ball is? Where can I find them? I'd sure like to give them a try. Thanks! Smile
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You have to shop around to find ones that work just right, but basically, they’re little rubber balls that kids like to throw at the floor and have them bounce around. They’re the kind that come in a pack of Jax. You just have to find solid colours (unless you like the swirls), just about the size of a golf ball, give or take. You could use the small ones, but they’re less visible. Roll them between your fingers, before you buy them, to see if you like the surface. Some will slip right out because of the lousy glazing, but most will stick to your fingers very nicely.

Enjoy!



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The other nice thing is that to show that the ball that just "appeared" is a "real" ball, just throw it around, as long as you can keep ahold of the other balls w/o revealing the gaff.

Sable, are you cutting or melting to try to make your gaff?, so far I've gotten closest by cutting the ball into a little less than half and using my woodburner to melt out the middle. I'm making progress but unfortunately I keep melting too close to the edge.
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I tried both, but cutting it in half worked the best for me. I tried cutting the inside out, but it’s tough to do it accurately. In the meantime, I’m doing it all without the gaff. I consider it more an exercise than anything, as I probably won’t perform it on stage, but I do love the practice.



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Would it be easier to use one of the balls as a mold? You could get some of that stuff to coat the handles of tools, cover (and re-cover) the ball till the coating is thick enough, then just cut it off and smooth the edges of the gaff.



If a stiffer gaff is needed, using the same principle, you could use FIMO clay to make the gaff.



Just an idea...



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That's a good idea Mary. I just might try that. If only I could find some plasic or metal in the right size I could dip it in the hot rubber. Hmmmm, this gives me some ideas.



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Aaahhh... very wise. I’ve been using the aforementioned rubber compound to seal the ends of my ropes for many years. I find it in home improvement stores, (Menards, Lowes, Home Depot, etc,) one of the brand names is Plasti-dip. Gonna go try it now. Smile
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Hi Magicpirate! Smile

I think we call them superball's over here. Smile

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I used to do a billard ball routine without a gaff. I used 2 inch balls and at one time was able to produce the third ball from a classic palm while holding two balls in the same hand. Can't do that anymore.

I produced the fourth ball in the left hand and put it in place between the ring finger and the little finger. I was taught the routine by a magician named Sam Berman who was located in Chicago and did a wonderful act in a tramp costume all in pantomine. That was in the 1940's. A long time ago!!!!
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I've been working on some of the routines in Richard Kaufman's (very first) book "Balls! Lessons in Side Arm Snookery." Most use no gaff.

It's fairly knuckle busting work, but the book is really interesting in its approach.

I like bouncy balls, too. I've got a set of Fakini balls, but like the bouncy balls better, in some ways (a little smaller, easier to work with and a helluva lot cheaper).
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If you really like knuck busting, try popping three bouncies out of a triple palm, one at a time (no gaff).

I love this because you can start at the pinky and ring finger and work your way to the thumb. It's fun to do for magicians.

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I also like the bouncy balls and do a gaff free routine.

One of many advantages of gaff free routines is that you can produce balls of different colors and sizes!

Many moves and complete routines are to be found in "The Complete Illustrated Book of Close-Up Magic" by Walter Gibson.

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I've always wondered if it was possible to do a billiard ball routine without a gaff. I've also wondered about maybe using those little balls that you can knock against each other and they spark - like they have gunpowder on them or something . . . that could get interesting.
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