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One Step Ahead

Who can do this trick and can you teach it to me please!


Published Spring 1995
One Step Ahead
Sophisticated Gamblers Use Legal Techniques to Gain Small Advantages at Casino Games
by Michael Konik

"Let me show you something," Steve Forte says. "Go ahead, shuffle the cards."
He's sitting on the opposite side of a marble coffee table, in a hotel room 30 stories above the Strip in Las Vegas. He watches as the plastic-wrap seal is broken on a fresh pack of Bee playing cards, the brand used at dozens of casinos around the world.
"Here's what you do," Forte says. "Give them a good riffle, then cut. Then riffle again. Then cut. Then a final riffle and cut."
As directed, the cards are mixed. "Great. You've basically executed the identical shuffle used in some of the biggest casinos in
Las Vegas, the ones that take the largest bets in the world. You would think they'd go to great lengths to thoroughly mix their cards, to achieve true randomness, right?"
After a nod of agreement, Forte continues. "Deal me a few hands of 21," Forte says, pointing to the coffee table. "I'll bet an imaginary $25 a hand. Deal yourself a hand, too. And don't let me see your hole card. You're the House."
Dealing four hands, Forte "loses" three out of four hands to the House's 19. "Good. This worked out really well," he says, smiling. "It's not always this easy."
"It just so happens that the next card off the deck, if I am not mistaken, is going to be the ace of spades. Then, six cards later, we're going to see the ace of hearts. So I'll give you some decent play on those spots, like $500 a hand."
The cards are dealt. Forte's aces appear exactly as predicted. "Getting an ace as your first card in 21 gives you 50 percent advantage over the House," he explains. "It doesn't get much stronger than that."
Forte hasn't touched the cards. He allowed me to shuffle and cut the deck, and I'm certain the cards are not marked. It's like being a first-time visitor to a magic show. The only viable question is: "How did you do that?"
"Did you look at your hole card? Don't bother," he says, smiling. "It's the seven of hearts."

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Also I can not find the book by: "Charles Jordan and C. O. Williams" any one know the name of this particular book?

"It's called shuffle-tracking," he says.
Initially mentioned around the turn of the century in an obscure magic book by Charles Jordan and C. O. Williams, shuffle-tracking, or sequence-tracking, is an advantage technique that Forte first employed in the mid-1980s. To create true randomness, a deck of 52 cards needs to be shuffled at least seven times. But the more casinos shuffle, the more money they "lose" because their profits are related to the number of hands they get out per hour. (The more hands they deal to sucker gamblers, the more money they win.) Virtually all the casinos in the country shuffle their deck only an average of three times. Sequence-tracking exploits this weakness."
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Hi Tommy,

You would be surprised how incredibly easy this trick is to do. In fact I tend to do it most nights and sometimes before breakfast. Basically, I have no idea how this is done but it sounds intriguing. From a magicians point of view I do wonder if the extensive work involved in learning how to do this would be worth it in the long run. Lets hope someone 'in the know' can enlighten us.

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Related to the above subject is the controversial book on Ace Prediction, see: http://www.bjrnet.com/catalog/BJAP_Critique.htm
See a letter from Forte re that book in which he does not think it is a great book for black jack..
http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/cont......onse.htm

Still I think it is worth a read because, personally, I just want to learn the principles so I might apply them in Poker rather than Black Jack as I have no interest in Black Jack.
Sequence Tracking, Ace Location, Keying, Slug Location, Steering the Aces, Next Card Location and so on are things you can often get help with in applying it to black Jack but you don’t get much help about applying it to poker.
“The Charles Jordan - Endless Chain Principle” for example is a very interesting and simple principle. It is not easy however to work out how to use it to it’s full potential in poker sitting there with just a deck and your own mind to assist you. Specially if you are as stupid as I am. Smile
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Tommy- I could see why you would want to learn shuffle tracking for home games, but if you play in the casino wouldnt the wash(which is pretty standard) make it impossible? Just a thought...
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Unless, it wasn't a real wash.

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It's just a thought but a good one! You can often get away without doing a wash in many casinos I have found as not all casinos have the same level of security, in particular when it comes to poker. Some dealers in some casinos will only scramble every now again. If you happen to be the dealer in such casinos or high stakes private games, then you might forget to do it every hand. Smile Also you would know your own shuffle procedure inside out. And there are other things you might forget. like not riffle a few on the bottom that you happen to know the order and id of in the first two riffles then if you did a fair running cut and a fair riffle and a fair cut. Then you might find most times that those cards that you did not riffle turn up on the board, maybe. I don't know it's just a thought but you could do some exprimenting I think. I do think you need to be the dealer in poker to put that sort of thing to work.
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What Steve did is not a simple "trick" that you're gonna learn overnight. There is a fair body of work on all the various forms of tracking. You seem adept enough at using the internet, so a simple search should yield the desired results.
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Actually I think what Steve Forte did there was a very simple trick. I have just been playing with it and I think I have the basic idea. I think I might even be able to do on line after a bit of study.
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See, I told you Smile I look forward to your video Tommy.

Best,

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No what I mean is, you have the deck like Konic did and I will play Forte but on line. You tell me what cards I have been dealt. I will try and tell you your hole card etc like Forte did.

Just give me some time because I have not even tried it yet. I just shuffled like he instructed but then I looked at the order and it clicked with me how it works. It is only a guess therfore.

I am a bit busy having to make tea for builders right now. They are a right bunch of cowboys and they are pulling the place apart.

Later.
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This seems really interesting to me. but I can't seem to get ahold of it....after reading this yesterday I put the ace of spades on the face of the deck, and the ace of hearts at the back. all I could seem to estimate was the number of cards between the two aces once shuffled in the described manner above. do you have to assume that the spectator would shuffle, only missing two or three cards gaps. and cutting the deck almost perfectly in half? cause most of the time, you cut into the stock between the aces.

I'll have to arrange the deck in perfect order and see where the cards fall. maybe I'll figure it out, but I don't know anything about shuffle tracking right now. is there something else I'm missing?
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Tommy - If you have Casino Game Protection, take a look beginning at page 204.
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No I do not have it sgrossberg but I can maybe look it up on Thursday as I can see a copy in a casino that I go to then. Thanks for the tip whatever it is. Smile
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"The Ultra Find" is a card trick worth looking at. It is in "Ted Annemans Card Magic" book. I think that is the name of it but I am not at home right now. That trick might give some help to you in understanding the basic principle.
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On 2006-03-31 14:50, Cliff Rusnick wrote:
I put the ace of spades on the face of the deck, and the ace of hearts at the back. all I could seem to estimate was the number of cards between the two aces once shuffled in the described manner above.


Cliff,

It looks like you're getting the basics of it. The idea is to observe someone's shuffle and see how they riffle. Forte doesn't need to observe anyone much because he is so good. But you said that you could estimate the number of cards in between the two aces. Now you have to do the math and figure out how many spots you would have to play to catch both aces in your hands.

When pros use this in a casino for Blackjack, they watch all of the cards being dealt at a table. They know where those cards are in the discard rack. They know where those cards during and after the next shuffle and they adjust the amounts of their bets and number of hands they play to exploit the information they gained. The wash doesn't phase them because in a multi-deck Blackjack game, the wash is only done when either 1) the table is first opened, or 2) when the cards are changed because of a new shift or other misc reason.

Remember: riffling does NOT change the sequence of the cards, and neither does cutting.
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Thanks for the tip mook. but I thought that only two riffle shuffles wouldn't change the sequence of the deck. but into the third shuffle, the cards start to change sequence. I do an effect using this principle and even with the two shuffles some of the cards change sequence.

I see what you're saying though and this has given me some ideas for what to look out for. I'm going to play around with it later. thanks
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