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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Two things, Patrick. First, my apology, really. I did get so annoyed with your 3rd-above-this post, that I didn't check back. Yes, sorry, you did give suggestions. Second, show me where in my posts - or in any of my posts where I mention a book, or two, or three, of mine, where I use the word "BUY." I never, ever, suggest that - I leave that to the poster. If they want to "buy", that's fine. If they don't, that's also fine. I REALLY DON'T NEED TO "FORCE" PEOPLE TO 'BUY' MY BOOKS. And if you're reluctant to do so, that also is fine. It is, of course, your loss - please forgive that immodest statement. And, you're right - no need for any more correspondence between us - doesn't get us anywhere, nor does it help anyone. Bye.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Oh, forgot...you mentioned my "rather irritated response." Again, forgive me, but that "rather irritated response" was, yes, a RESPONSE to your ORIGINAL response that started (remember please - STARTED) this silliness. That uncalled response of yours, that obviously "rather irritated response": "Harry, but it seems that half or more of the posts I see from you are just plugs for your books. It gets a little old." Again, forgive me, but what I meant about your remarks "getting old" is the concept of people STARTING something and then getting annoyed when the "irritated" person RESPONDS. Sorry - but you DID start this silliness. But, I do love you, anyway (even if you're "reluctant" to BUY my books - remember please that I'm using the word "BUY" only because you used it FIRST).
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David Fillary Special user 662 Posts |
Thanks Pseph
I do use probability patter too, and maybe even mention measuring the wave function if they understand! I mention speed only for the handkerchief through arm trick, as that works much better when done fast as it is a great surprise. Then I do the coin through handkerchief slowly like you suggest. Well, I actually do coin through ring now from Bobo's book instead as I've come up with a new method where I don't touch the coin or ring so it's much more powerful! I love your Houdini patter idea; I think I'll work on that. It can definitely provide a link in to other tricks too which I like - he can escape to an impossible location, disguise himself (spellbound) etc. Mr Lorayne, I hate to continue this argument too, but I must agree with Patrick. I have only been on here a few months and I have only seen advertisement; no advice. I think people would be less offended if you also advertised other good books other than your own. For instance Eric Jones suggested his Metal 1 DVD to a beginner, but also suggested Ammar and Roth as brilliant resources. I do plan to buy your your Magic Book in the future, but for the moment I will continue to work on the sources I own and look to this forum for presentation and advice. Aus - I also love your idea! Very creative and can bring a whole history theme to your magic. I believe there are events with historical re-enactments and traditional trade crafts on sale etc, so that would be a perfect setting for that trick! |
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Aus Special user Australia 996 Posts |
Thanks David, I’m glad you like it, I always try to make a unique stamp on my magic, and I’ve never been the one that liked using the canned stuff most others use.
That being said it’s been many years since my last “How-To Guide” I have been considering writing a new one on the topic of creativity since topics such as this have started to be more common these days. As they say, give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Magically Aus |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Right, David - you're soooo right. Your un-called for response is right on. Literally thousands would disagree with you, and your friend,of course, but they don't get into these sillinesses, they're too busy reading my books!! But, my advice to you? Stay away from my books - please, please, don't buy them! Okay? That should make you and Patrick happy. Of course, you really know what you're talking about. I've only been in magic for over SEVENTY-FIVE YEARS so, obviously, I desperately need advice from Patrick and you. One more, just one more, and we'll have the Three Stooges! Best - Harry L.
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David Fillary Special user 662 Posts |
Aus, where could I find this how-to guide, I would be very interested?
Mr Lorayne, Just to spite you, I will buy some of your books! How many of your books delve into other areas other than card magic? I'm genuinely being serious here - I have heard that your books are brilliant from many sources, but I don't have as much interest in card magic, so what ones would you recommend in addition to The Magic Book? |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Most of the stuff in my books, David, is card stuff. So don't waste your money on them. Interesting to me that you know nothing about my work, haven't read any of my work, but you felt that you could give me advice. Oh, well. Now, if you can find any of the volumes of APOCALYPSE, which I'm sure you never heard of - only twenty years worth of OTHER PEOPLE'S, contributor's stuff - LOTS of stuff other than cards, from people like Dai Vernon, Tony Slydini, Michael Ammar, Aldo Colombini, Eric DeCamps, Doug Edwards, Ken Krenzel, J.K. Hartman, David Regal, Sol Stone, Juan Tamariz, Ed Marlo, Gary Ouellet, Richard Vollmer, Larry Becker, Max Maven, Martin Nash, Howie Schwarzman, Michael Vincent, Derek Dingle --- and on and on --- most of whom I'm sure you've never heard of. (You did mention Michael Ammar...I wouldn't bet on it, but I doubt if many knew of him until I started running some of his contributions in APOCALYPSE starting back in 1979.) So, gee, seems as if I did "recommend" quite a few people - gosh, even wrote books for some of them. Anyway...with I could be of more help. HL.
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DWRackley Inner circle Chattanooga, TN 1909 Posts |
Just to look at it another way…
While the advice to develop a routine is sound, the situation you describe is probably the one case where a one-shot is appropriate. In the spirit of “always leave them wanting more”, you wait patiently for someone to ask, and then you just happen to have “well, maybe just this one thing” ready to go. It’s one of the best ways to create a killer reputation for yourself. Ask to borrow a quarter. Have them sign the coin with a Sharpie (You DO carry a Sharpie with you everywhere, right?). While they’re signing, pick up your napkin (cloth or linen is better) and run it through your hands a few times. (I can’t explain exactly, but a few times I’ve caught possible problems this way, from an extra stiff manufacturer’s label to a spot of jelly that I hadn’t noticed. Just trust me! ) Do the bit as per the book. You don’t need patter on this one; you’re just fulfilling a request, just showing off a little something. Afterwards, hand the coin back to his owner to verify that it’s the same coin. (Years ago we would NOT have done it this way, but a new generation needs different “proofs”). If they want something else, you can hesitate and then ask for the coin back again. You’re going to make it pass through the table top (using the water glass wrapped in a napkin. I think that’s also in the Mark Wilson book.) This is putting those same props to work a second time for a completely different effect. After this one (you can visibly pick up the glass from your lap or wait for an offbeat to retrieve it when you’re not getting burned), now it’s time to quit. Change the subject. Ask about the sports scores. They won’t forget what you did, and when you hear about it later, it may surprise you how “powerful” your magic was!
...what if I could read your mind?
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David Fillary Special user 662 Posts |
Harry,
I know most of your stuff is cards, I just wondered if you had any published material in other areas. I certainly wouldn't give you any magic advice, but say for instance a spectator suggested you changed a line in your patter, and it is a genuine improvement, would you not take that advice despite their lack of magical knowledge? I have heard of Apocalypse although I admit I have only heard of seven of those on your list; I will definitely research some of the others' work. I will buy it in the future but I've spent a lot on magic recently and feel I can only justify spending money after earning it, so will look into getting it after some more paid performances. Rackley, your last line definitely rings true! I was performing magic for a friend, who was also friends with the guy who tutored me, and the main trick he remembered seeing was passing the glass through the table during a meal! I have got carried away before and done trick after trick after getting a great reaction from the first effect, when I really should have stopped on the first high note. |
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Adam Fraise New user 60 Posts |
I have done this in a restaurant accomanied by this patter "Hey they have those napkins here! Did you know, they use an amazing material developed by NASA and the fabric has strange properties? Here let me show you-----". It got a good response and could be adapted for other situations.
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Cyberqat Inner circle You can tell I work on the net from my 2209 Posts |
So...
I have a coin tube routine where part of my patter is about thin air. I got the basic idea from some other magician, I don;t remember any more. But feel free to steal. Basically I talk about how when magicians make things appear, they pull them out of 'thin air.' This makes the air that they were pulled of thinner, which is why other things vanish *into* thin air, they fill the gaps made by the stuff that was previously pulled out. I then go on to explain how "thin air" exists between the molecules of all objects and that, if you do it just right, you can also pass things through"thin air." So its a variation of the physics "porous matter" idea that involves a cute pun and allows me to do some slight of hand appearance at the beginning and disappearance at the end.
It is always darkest just before you are eaten by a grue.
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RobFromNZ New user New Zealand 99 Posts |
My seven year old son is doing a coin through hanky performance this week (same effect as in Mark Wilsons book) and wanted a story to go along with it. We came up with something to do with him always loosing his pocket money, falling through a hole in his pocket. The trick is then a demonstration of how the coin can fall through - therefore, loosing his pocket money really isn't his fault!
I'm sure that could be improved upon, but that's his effect for this months magic club meeting. |
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Cyberqat Inner circle You can tell I work on the net from my 2209 Posts |
Rob!
I think that's a wonderful patter idea! Did he help come up with it?
It is always darkest just before you are eaten by a grue.
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RobFromNZ New user New Zealand 99 Posts |
A little...but mostly Dad helped! He's often keen to come up with stories or entertaining patter. It's good that he sees that magic isn't just a move or technique...
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Aus Special user Australia 996 Posts |
Rob
Another patter story you could go with is about the tooth fairy and wondering how she always seems to get those coins under your pillow and extract the tooth without waking you up. Then show them how she did it by using the coin as an example, then put the coin back in to show how she deposited the coin. The handkerchief could be given context by saying you would always wrap your tooth and place it under your pillow. Could even produce a Goshman tooth for some comic value: http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S6284 Magically Aus |
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RobFromNZ New user New Zealand 99 Posts |
Great idea Aus. See - kiwis and aussies can work well together!
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ncsteve Veteran user North Carolina 313 Posts |
Try Bobo's Modern Coin Magic for several coin routines with a hank. Used copies are available cheap on line. That's where I learned my starting coin routine, a production, coin through the hank and last a vanish of the coin. It's chaged/evolved greatly over the years but the basic routine in Bobo is pretty much angle proof & can be done with a cloth napkin found in many restaurants.
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ncsteve Veteran user North Carolina 313 Posts |
I just did a search on Abe books and found 6 hardbound Modern Coin Magic books for < $20 each. The hardbound edition contains much info that the paperback does not. Not a bad price for a book that could keep you busy many years. See:
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchRe......=64&y=10 |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
I'm with David Blaine on this one ... all it requires is "Watch!"
Most anything else is condescending cutesy-ness IMO.
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Aus Special user Australia 996 Posts |
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On 2013-06-14 10:31, landmark wrote: Was that a joke or where You being serious? |
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