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jwebyra
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What is everyone's opinion of magic magazines of magic orginzations like M.U.M. and Linking Ring for sale on public auction sites like E-Bay. Is it okay to sell or buy these magazines. Please note this not include magazines like Genii or Magic because they are made public but I am asking about magazines from magic orginzations. I will include newsletters from indivdual Rings, Assemblies, Ect in the question.

Thank you very much.

Ron
Jonathan Townsend
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On 2006-04-04 11:31, jwebyra wrote:
What is everyone's opinion of magic magazines of magic organizations ...


Is there anything in an enforced ethical code in magic which states such things are not property?

Most simply, if it's property, the owner has the right to dispose of it as they see fit (definition).
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jimtron
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I see nothing ethically wrong with this whatsoever. By the way, do any of these magazines restrict sales or subscriptions when sold new? I mean, I realize that their not available at the corner newstand, but still, anyone can subscribe, right?

Who should not be entitled to buy absolutely any magic effect, book, or DVD that is sold on the open market (ie, at a brick and mortar magic store, online magic store, book store, etc. without restrictions like showing your I.B.M. card)? If a book, DVD, effect or magazine is available for sale, I don't see how we can tell anyone that they don't have a right to buy it. If anyone thinks some things shouldn't be available to everyone, blame the magic store, or publisher, or person who put it on the market.
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As far as I'm concerned, anyone who's not actively involved in magic, and who buys these magazines thinking that they expose magic secrets, will be disappointed. The mags show how to do some "new" things contributed by members, but generally, IMHO, it's not significant enough to rate as blatant exposure.

On the other hand, these mags usually have quite a bit of material on the idea of magic, on performance, on history, and so forth, that could turn a "secret seeker" into someone who learns to appreciate the fact that magic is about far more than "secrets." I've been a member of IBM for well over 35 years, and I can tell ya, the "secrets" revealed in the mag are not going to put anyone out of business. But some of the other material is very readable and interesting.
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Since when does having an IBM or SAM card imply ethical behavior?
The ethics codes in those organizations, though well written and of apparent good intent, are SUGGESTIONS and GUIDELINES. There is no strong enforcement of ethical behavior in magicdom at this time. The golden rule in magicdom is still the cynical version about having gold and ruling by arrogance.

If you have any questions about this matter, ask Walter Blaney, Tommy Wonder or better yet, look for books by Hofzinser, Fred Kaps, Karl Germain...

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