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Dannydoyle
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Problem with "pattern interupt" is not all patters are universal.

Try the handshake nonsense on someone NOT conditioned to shake hands and you look like a complete idiot.

Handshakes are a LOT LESS PREVELANT in society than they used to be. Sorry to be the one to inform you guys.

NOT every handshake interupted results in deep trance. No matter what anyone including Erickson, or Bandler tell you.

I have seen them try this handshake stuff on people with no expectation of hypnosis and stood there looking pretty stupid.

Really my point is you should know better than to speak in absolutes when speaking of the mind. Trance is still voluntary no matter what. Interupt all the patterns you want on me and if I don't want to be in trance, then guess what?

The biggest reason for the pre talk is to establish a relationship of trust. You do NOT get to the deepest levels of trance without it. Again remember hypnosis is a voluntary condition where the rubber meets the road.
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That's right...danny your NOT in a trance...aren't you? nice to let that thought drift through your mind...

Thoughts of rubber meeting the road... and hands not being able to shake...I mean what good is that?

Don't trust anyone who volunteers to hypnotise you by putting a rubber on......

the road..and yuk don't shake his hand or rubber..

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A hypnotic trance CAN be induced without a pre-talk, easily. Bridging from ideomotor tests, without mention of hypnosis to an instantaneous induction method after several positive responses is one way to do it, cleanly and easily. However, there IS a potential for failure and for abreaction that is present - the person that one is working with MAY become disoriented or panic, depending on the induction used and, at that point, things can get messy on an emotional level.

Just some additional information.

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Why would you want to drop the pre-talk. I made that mistake at a college show. It was outdoors on the track. I was late starting the show due to the lateness that I had to deal with in getting started setting up. I had changed clothes and when I came back the bleachers were filled and you could cut the air with the anticipation. I was a little unnerved with my being late and made the mistake of just thinking they were ready to go. Big mistake. It was a really hard time of getting volunteers to come down (I hadn't created the desire due to no pretalk) and the induction was a real bear. It was more work than I had ever experienced in the induction and of 15 chairs I only kept 5. 3 were really under and two were uh. I would never drop the pretalk or try to work without one again.

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Martin it has degreaded into a hypnotic "theory" debate, not really a practical one.

Your question is valid. WHY WOULD YOU>?
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Martin, the original question wasn't about doing a show, but, as I read it, a one-on-one induction, without a pre-talk. I contend that it is perfectly possible and I also agree with you that doing a show without a pre-talk is a self-defeating action. No question about it.

How's that for a win-win response? Smile

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When I did my stage hypnosis training I was told that the pre-talk was the most important part of the show - even more important that the induction itself.
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It is.
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I agree with Lee. It is perfectly possible to hypnotize people without a pre-talk. Some people may be less easily hypnotizable without it, but it's certainly possible. Sometimes, as an emergency technique using hypnotherapy for immediate physiological change (such as to slow or stop bleeding), it's necessary.

When it comes to doing a show, however, the answer, I believe, is that you should consider it a hypnosis SHOW rather than a HYPNOSIS show. By that I mean it is the show part that is the most important. Setting up potential actors for greatest success includes the pre-talk (which is different than a hypnotherapy pre-talk). It functions like the person who does a warm up before a TV show. Sure, you could do a show without a pre-talk, I just don't advise it.
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Can you?
Yes.

In a show why would you is the relevant question.
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I also wouldn't use the word "actors" to a newbie as it can generate the wrong understanding and perception.
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Pretalk is by far the most important part of the show period so why not just do it.

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I concur with all the above.
I am releasing 'The Swan' at the end of this month and you might want to have a look at it. It's NOT for 'hypnotising without a pre-talk' but it is for talking and getting an answer from the subconscious without hypnosis. Although it is mainly for the therapy room I use it in all hypnosis including my mentalism act on one on one or a whole audience.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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Well, the question was can you. And, the answer is yes.

The first person to hypnotize someone probably didn't do a pre-talk. Because, hypnosis did exist before this but this was the first hypnotist, so hypnotists didn't exist.

He wouldn't know what to say in the pre-talk if no-one had ever hypnotized anyone before. TV and Movies hypnotize people all the time without a pre-talk, and the hypnotist can do the same thing.

Which came first? The Chicken or the egg?
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Can you hypnotize someone without pre-talk?

Yes, from my own experience performing. Smile
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