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On 2006-04-10 19:47, JokersWild wrote:
I really want to use these cards for card magic


Just curious but why? The majority of the people you'll be performing for have seen bicycle decks and my guess is NONE of them have ever seen a Jerry's Nugget deck. If anything, they might just conclude you're using a trick deck.
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You guys are beating a dead horse...
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On 2006-04-11 01:46, Shane Wiker wrote:
No, Dominique only bought 1,000 decks from what I've heard.
Shane Wiker


Hi Shane, you've heard a very different story (although certainly not any more in the know than the one I heard) but there are numerous posts here, and on other boards that mention the entire stock of decks as being between 40,000 and 45,000 and as having been purchased en masse by one person, that being Dominique.
I have heard that Lee Asher has a lot of decks as well, which raises the question "where did he get them"?

I certainly don't have any more "hard fact" than what I've mentioned above, and you may well be right in what you've heard, (making me wrong, which wouldn't be the first time!)

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This hype around these decks is rediculous. Somebody hoarding a bazillion decks in his basement does not make a true collector's market. What people are shelling out hard earned cash for is the hype that they and their fellow money-shellers have created.

Imagine if the comic book market suddenly found out that there were 45,000 copies of Amazing Fantasy #15 sitting in some nerd's basement. The value of that particular comic would drop like a lead blimp.

Also, I think that those with a penchant for hero-worship are partially to blame. Just because they saw the Buck Twins making a bunch of fancy cuts with a deck of Jerry's doesn't warrant spending $100 on them. I've got news for you cats... a hundred dollar deck isn't going to make your cuts look any better!

This reminds me of the thing with that elephant deck that USPC put out a while back. A bunch of wackos were tripping over themselves to buy one of these on e-bay and it ended up selling for eleventy-gazillion-and-two dollars, or something like that. And now you can go down to the Gambler's General Store in Vegas and buy as many as you want for a $1.99 each.

I bought two decks, because I heard that they will help me deal seconds better when I'm playing poker with pachyderms.
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Mr. O'Brien is correct. It's funny how "rare" these decks are but you can find them on e-bay in new condition and still in the box any time you look for them. I'm gonna start selling my belly button lint because it's "limited edition". I'll make a million.
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Here's a similar thread
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Reis,

You make a valid argument though; the fact of the matter is the value of an item is the price someone is wiling to pay for it. The demand is very high for Jerry's cards and the supply is very low, look at De Beer's they hold millions of tons of raw diamonds in where houses, but choose to only release so many each year, WHY to keep an inflated price on diamonds. If all of the Diamonds De Beers had were suddenly flooded on the market the diamond price would drop, but I see no reason for them to do that. The same is with these cards; there is no incentive for the people holding the vast quantities of these cards to put them on the market.
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Exactly...

This is not like its the *ONLY* deck on the earth and you are required to get one.

if you *want* one, then you can pay what the going rate is for one...

The market isn't there because they are the best cards in the world, its there because magicians want them due to them being rare, and their rarity, that's it.

Whether or not someone has them in their basement, the fact is you cant walk into walmart and buy a deck....
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On 2006-04-11 15:39, Daegs wrote:
its there because magicians want them due to them being rare,

I think it's primarily the XCM crowd that covets Jerrys, and magicians by and large don't even know what they are.
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Reis, I actually own a VG copy of Amazing Fantasy 15; please don't even joke about such a thing, as it causes my ulcer to kick in...
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On 2006-04-11 11:05, silverking wrote:
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On 2006-04-11 01:46, Shane Wiker wrote:
No, Dominique only bought 1,000 decks from what I've heard.
Shane Wiker



I have heard that Lee Asher has a lot of decks as well, which raises the question "where did he get them"?


Cheers.


Rumor has it that Lee dated Duviviers daughter...
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Greetings All; While I would whole heartedly support the reprinting of the Jerry Nuggets, and any other casino backs with white borders, it probably will never happen.
The U.S. Playing Card Co. requires a run of 10,000 decks to be printed for special orders. This very much limits what will and will not get printed for our benefit as magicians. The investment is very large, trust me, I have been down this path before. At present there are some people who are gettings runs printed of special cards and for this we should be grateful as it gives us more backs to use in our magic. There are some great decks being designed right now that will make many of us extremely happy this year, so keep your eyes peeled.
I have pretty much exhausted my supply of casino backs with white borders in making gaffed cards over the years. While I am always on the lookout for different backs that match the bicycle faces, they are now few and far between.
I refuse to pay the high prices for these decks when they come up on e-bay as I would not want to pass the cost per card onto my customers in making gaffs. So I keep on looking to find packs at reasonable prices.
Last year I had approached 23 casinos, Jerry's being one of them about getting permission to reprint these now out of print backs into a special assorted deck which would be used by magicians. Every casino said the same thing, NO!. The folks at Jerry's were the most cordial and explained that they are planning new promotions and advertising and that the oil tower design will be part of this, so they do not want anyone reprinting that design.
I asked if they realized how many magicians would buy these decks, and the woman laughed and told me. "Honey, we are in the gambling business, not the magic business." I was given a partial deck that they had in the office, for which I was most thankful. So casinos really do not care about how many magicians would buy the decks, they are not going to invest in the printing.
The newer style backs with the bee design and the casino logos have become standard in the industry now so we may never see the old style colorful art that we desire.
I can strongly advise anyone to check out the Gambler's General Store in Las Vegas as they come upon some great decks, and sometimes, you get very lucky and find a few decks of unique backs. I have found Aristocrat, Racer, Virginia Slims, Ceasar's, Treasure Island, Las Vegas Club, and Reno Bingo Palace decks all with white borders while roaming their store. It is my first stop everytime we visit Vegas. Dominic, Denise, Gloria, Wendy and Vivian are great to work with and if you cannot get there in person, just explain what you are looking for and they will see what is there for you. Their # is 1-800-322-2447 or you can visit their site at http://www.gamblersgeneralstore.com
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Well I sent them a e-mail and this is what they send back to me...

Hi Chris,



Thanks for checking out our Jerry’s Nugget website. We also appreciate that you liked our playing cards.



However, we have discontinued making these specific Jerry’s Nugget playing cards and do not plan on making them anymore.



Sorry for the inconvenience.





Darlene Ulep


:( it was worth a shot...
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On 2006-04-11 15:46, JoeHohman wrote:
Reis, I actually own a VG copy of Amazing Fantasy 15; please don't even joke about such a thing, as it causes my ulcer to kick in...


LOL! Sorry Joe! Didn't mean to freak you out!
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I think casino cards must not have borders
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The new Bee Stingers have white borders (fading) and are considered state of the art in casino card security.

I think your thought above was true, but seems to be undergoing some re-thinking on the part of casinos, and people who design cards for security.
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People need to face the facts. Jerry's were printed, and discontinued. There will never be any Jerry's again... ever. If you want a deck, you have to pay the money. I want a ferrari, but I can't afford one, so I don't have one.

The only way any of this card business is going to happen is if some enterprising magician decides to start up a custom deal with the USPCC and fork over the cash. Ellusionist.com has shown that it can certainly be profitable. Unfortunately they decided to make their cards black, and print them on garbage card stock.
Unfortunately, ever 12 and 13 year old magician thinks that a black deck is the hottest thing on the planet, and so they'll keep buying 'em.

Whether or not designing your own backs that have solid color like Jerry's and getting them printed would be profitable is a big risk, and no one would really be able to tell if they would sell or not.

No one knows why Jerry's Nugget's were so special, what was in the finish, what combination of the right things at the right time created something special. The thing is, everything is different from the way it was back when the cards were printed. The stock is different, the chemicals in the finish are different, the machinery used to print the cards is different, etc.

There will NEVER BE ANOTHER PRINT OF JERRY's, and there will never be any cards with the same finish, ever. period. Not because people don't want them, but because 1) Magicians are the only people who care about magicians. Casinos and large corporations could care less.
2) It's just not possible. The production process has changed.
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Interesting point. Whats done is done.
I thought a lot of the cards are being bought by casino collectors as well. This is a rare find for them considering how much and how rare.
Also its just not the Buck twins that really made them super famous. In my opinion these cards ment something right when they came about. Look at the Revelations tapes with Vernon, also pictures of Marlo using them as well.

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On 2006-04-13 10:15, Mike.Shots wrote:
People need to face the facts. Jerry's were printed, and discontinued. There will never be any Jerry's again... ever. If you want a deck, you have to pay the money. I want a ferrari, but I can't afford one, so I don't have one.


I agree with the point your making - price is determined by supply and demand.

But I have to say I think the analogy is wrong. Jerry's = Ferrari? It's all subjective, but I think a better analogy would be a rare Z-grade horror flick, or some other bit of trash counter-culture. No intrinsic worth to a sane human being, only to fever-addled nerds.

There's nothing special about those cards unless you value cheesey 70's kitsch. It's all hype, baby.

Of course, Your Mileage May Vary, and that's cool. You know what they say about opinions. Just wanted to get it in there that not all magicians think these cards are where it's at. Only the other 99.999999999% of you.

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On 2006-04-13 10:15, Mike.Shots wrote:
People need to face the facts. Jerry's were printed, and discontinued. There will never be any Jerry's again... ever. If you want a deck, you have to pay the money. I want a ferrari, but I can't afford one, so I don't have one.



But I have to say I think the analogy is wrong. Jerry's = Ferrari? It's all subjective, but I think a better analogy would be a rare Z-grade horror flick, or some other bit of trash counter-culture.
There's nothing special about those cards unless you value cheesey 70's kitsch.

;)


Yeah, the Ferrari was probably a poor analogy, the point I was trying to make was that, just because I want something doesn't mean that someone's going to go to great lengths to get it for me for no reason.

The thing is, there WAS something special about the cards. There was just something about the stock and the finish, that everyone who used them agrees on.
Now, everyone who has used them does agree that they would never pay that much for a deck, so they're not THAT special.
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