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Bill Hegbli
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My research has found 2 methods of card productions. The full fan production of all the back palmed cards and the fan production of only the cards you are going to drop into a receptical or onto a table.

Which have you found more effective? And why?
landon
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I like the version in Routined Manipulation where you only fan the cards you are going to drop. I think it is more convincing because you drop all the cards(that they see). Especially if you have a large stock of 25-30 cards and only drop 6 or 7 it's not as convincing IMO. I actually use both methods in my routine though.
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I tried that one too, but then decided to partially close the fan as I was dropping it. It gave me a bit more stage business, but also looked natural since I was producing a huge fan and dropping the cards into a top hat. Closing the fan as I approached the hat made sense visually.

This let me fan everything and just drop a few in front.
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Bill Hegbli
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Or could you use both methods for split fanning? Alternating them!
landon
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That's what I do-alternate between the two methods. I usually use the partial fan method first when I have lots of cards. I like it because it looks nice doing the half pivot as the fan is produced. Once I have fewer cards I fan all the cards for the split fan. I also throw some singles in between to mix it up.
Seeker
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Where is a good place to learn these productions?
I've been training these cards since they were small.
magic_man204
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For the split fans get jeff McBrides art of card manipulation volume 2 but I recomend getting the whol set. and for the other routined manipulation by lewis ganson
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Personally, I like the production where you produce the fan of cards only while retaining the rest of the stock in back palm position. With that being said, I do the other split fan production where you produce all the stock and split only a few into the receptical bacause I do it a lot better that the first.

Wished I did the first better.

David Williams
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I tend to do a flurry of singles, followed by a few splits. I split the fans down to as few as three cards and it looks great. The key is; don't make a big deal out of getting ride of them, after all, the magic is the production, not tossing cards away. If your audience is counting cards you have bigger problems.
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In the third sentence that's, " don't make a big deal of getting rid of them..."
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Kregg - boy am I with your thinking.

If the performance is right, who cares - it really shouldn't matter.

Produce 'em, split 'em and produce some more .. what a surprise! Magic!!! End of story.

Best of,

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NickJegor
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Well I like to compose the movement with music.
I use all productions except the interlock move, couse it's difficult for me to master.

You can see my Manipulation Act in Lithuanian Republic Magic Fest 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h8HFaVq4......on%20act

Enjoy
Best,
Nick Jegor

P.S. Give me some opinion Thanks a lot
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RandyStewart
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Well not a bad effort with cards and cigs Nick. I thought some of the cig and card effects got a little lost in the white background of that big Card Stage Prop behind you. Not sure if there was any music but none came through my speakers so I didn't get to see it to music.

What kind of music do you use in that act?
NickJegor
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Enigma and Vanessa Mae...
Well see one more time and look properly about the music...
The music should be there Smile

Regards,
Nick
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cottonglovedcardini
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Card manipulation is what drew me to Magic . I was 6 years old and I watched Jeff McBride on worlds greatest magic 2 . I latter learned how to and within a year had mastered split fans and single production . But what realy interest me was Cardini ,as he had cotton gloves on and still manipulated cards ! Since then I have also mastered glove card manipulation .
Mr.Dennis
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Nick,
I like your act. Your smooth movement looked good. I just put a few short videos of my card and manipulation acts on my site. http://www.dennisalm.com
Feedback welcome......
Dennis Alm
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I suggest to all magicians wanting to learn card manipulation to go to Tonyclarkmagic.com and check out his AWARD WINNING CARD MANIPULATION DVD it is awesome!
Levent
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In answer to the original question.

I prefer to use the method where you fan all of the cards and back palm the rest of the stock at the exact moment the cards are apparently dropped. The reason is because I want the produced fans to be as large as possible.

Levent
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There's no need to powder a house broken production deck; as a general rule only powder fanning decks.
To speed up the break in process, using a straightedge ruler, scrape both sides of each card. Then use them a lot. Do not allow other people to touch your seasoned deck, it gums up the cards (avoid eating Cheetos or sticky candy). If you notice breaks in your splits, remove the culprit cards and wipe them with a lint free cloth. If this happens during a performance, cut the deck to get cards to the bottom/top of the packet.
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