Hi Pasq and everyone,

Allow me to jump into this discussion...

To make it short: Yes, the handshake induction on a stranger (even in a foreign land) can/will put that individual into a trance (start from light state even to the somnambulistic state), it depend on your continuous and repetitious suggestions (that could be in the form of any words). If you stop giving suggestions (viz. talking with the intent to hypnotize)) because you, yourself were shock that you could do the ¡§handshake-instant-shock induction¡¨ to that stranger in the strange land then soon that individual will emerge into the ¡§normal state¡¨.

The bottom line on doing this type of induction (viz. handshake induction, instant induction) is Confidence (Confidence on your skill to do the instant induction), Continuous on giving the suggestions/talking to that particular individual in the hypnotize tones (you don¡¦t have to be in a monotone zone on this one ƒº), Repetitious talking with the intent to hypnotize the individual. These C+C+R=BR (Big Result).

BTW, these statements are based on my experiences in the field (viz. my office, stage shows, and streets--yes, sometime I do Hypnosis Show on the Streets, too. As Hypnotist Ricky Kalmon has been doing so succesfully on the TV Guide Channel. Yes, I recommend everyone to watch this excellent program every Tue. & Thur nights).

As you know actually, NLP was born from hypnosis or in other words: hypnosis gave birth to the NLP.
B&G the co-founders of NLP were students/fellows of Dr. Erickson (the father of modern hypnotherapy/hypnosis).

Anyway back to your inquiry i.e. “…that pattern-interupt handshake induction…”
The Handshake-Confusion-Shock induction method is based on the principles of brief hypnosis.
Brief hypnosis claims that most people enter trance (the hypnotic state of mind) and exit trance many times during the day.

The principles of brief hypnosis (or rapid, instant) are:
1. Interruption to the auto-pilot
2. Fill the blank quickly

I hope it useful for you, Pasq. If not please let me know.


Prof. JW

Pasq. Your not ignorant my friend. Please do not say so.

As for a handshake working, well yes and no so I will clarify.

First off forget what Ricky is donig on TV guide. Contrary to what you see, the segments take HOURS and HOURS to shoot just minutes of footage so it is not instant in the least. He is doing re inductions plain and simple.

As to the books yes I have read them and they are tough to understand as, at least Transformations, is a transcript of a lecture.

As for theraputically, I am not sure "instant" inductions are even a bone of contention. They have very little use as your "depth" for lack of a better term is not very deep.

For the stage yea they are usefull, but only to a point. Let me explain.
The only reason, (no matter what anyone tells you) hypnosis works is 2 things. You claim to be able to help them into trance, and they believe you. THAT IS IT. It is all about expectation. If they don't think you can guide them, then they will NEVER get to trance. All the rest is window dressing. Usefull window dressing, but broken into its smallest parts this is the truth.

It is for this reason that all hypnosis is self hypnosis. You can't be hypnotised against your will. So "expectation" is more what hypnotises people than anything.

IF you walk up to someone (a complete stranger who does NOT know your a hypnotist) and try a handshake induction the vast majority of the time it will simply NOT work. YOU as a hypnotist have NO power. This is what most don't seem to grasp.

Now if you walked up to someone who knew you were a hypnotist, and had enough expectaton and behavior modeling, then yes it COULD work in the fashion in which you describe.

If you watch my show after about a 6 minute INDUCTION I do REINDUCTIONS with handshakes. Yea it works. BUT to clarify these are NOT inductions, they are reinductions. MOST "instant" inductions you see, such as Ricky, are the reinductions.

There is ABSOLUTLY nothing wrong with this, I am simply trying to clarify terms so we all are talking about the same thing before it gets heated.

You can interupt auto pilot all day long and it won't help if people are not expecting something. Yea a Certian percentage of folks, arround 5-10% or there abouts can be done instantly with no expectation, but not as a rule.

Well thanks very much to all three of you. It was good to get some answers to my wonderings. Even if there were one or two slight contradictions among them. Danny ... this point ...



... In Trance-formations, I believe, I think Grinder says that this induction would be more effective if done on a stranger (rather than someone who's expecting it) as its more of a "pattern interupt". Actually, I'm not even sure if that goes against what your point was.

Thanks all 3 anyway. P.

It does indeed. Point is hypnosis is self hypnosis. You can't hypnotize someone anyhow. So even the idea that YOU do it is completly wrong.

Therefore I always wonder why people talk as they do about "instant" inductions. Think of hypnosis as a contract between 2 people. BOTH have to know it is happening on some level for it to be compete.

As I said there is a certian percentage that it will work on.BUT it is very small.

Danny said...

The only reason, (no matter what anyone tells you) hypnosis works is 2 things. You claim to be able to help them into trance, and they believe you. THAT IS IT. It is all about expectation. If they don't think you can guide them, then they will NEVER get to trance. All the rest is window dressing. Usefull window dressing, but broken into its smallest parts this is the truth.

Amen.

Mota, you are right... but I believe your point needs some clarification, if I may be so bold..

You are right in that the person has to believe that you can guide them, but that belief does not have to lie in the conscious mind. And that's where a lot of people fall on their faces as novices and as laypeople in this field.

They see someone go up on stage who flatly says, "I don't believe that I can be hypnotized," get hypnotized and they say to themselves, "this is some sort of power the hypnotist has over them."

And that's where all of the confusion comes into play. Because that volunter may consciously be saying to himself, or herself, "I can't be hypnotized, but, on the subconscious level, is saying, without conscious awareness, necessarily - "BRING IT ON, BABY!" and they drop into trance like a rock down a well.

It's this confusion, what some people call the Law of Reverse Suggestion, that trips up the lay people and gives them, and even the volunteers who go up on stage believing consciously that they can't be hypnotized, the idea that there is some mysterious power that the hypnotist has over them, when, in reality, it is their own subconscious beliefs and expectations that lead them into trance.

See how complex this stuff can get folks?

Lee Darrow, C.H.

2 additional points Lee my friend. First off it was Me and mota only agreed with me.

Second of all along the same lines and to try to simplify, when someone "believes" you have powers, well you do. It is that belief that drops them like your rock down a well. Your so right. But to clarify again it is their belief and NOT your induction Per SE that drops them.

Many think that they "consiously" believe outwardly what is convienent, and then when they "sub consiously" get "dropped" they have the excuse to act out. Letting loose a little bit and "the hypnotist made me do it!"

Your right man confusing as all heck.

I developed my own techniques if you squint your eyes and turn out the lights you can actually see green energy waves ommiting from my finger tips. I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO hypnotise animals this way including dogs and even a gold fish to believe it was a shark.

I can hypnotise a complete stranger in the first 10 seconds to give me their credit card details. I will be outlining these deadly secrets in my new e-book. If you want to be put on the short list pm me your credit card details as this information is too powerful to offer to the masses and will be limited to only a few.

Shrink

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Lee Darrow, C.H.

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Prof. JW

So, I wonder if anyone here can claim to have performed a handshake induction on a stranger. (?)

Mark Hogan not included.

Yep. Mid America Hypnosis Convention, 1999. Also at NGH convention, 2000. Also several times in lectures at various science fiction conventions, high school and collegiate lectures and shows as well as in demonstrations where I was introduced as a lecturer on ritualistic crime, as opposed to as a performer.

Lee Darrow, C.H.

Again the EXPECTATION was there.

NOBODY can back up a claim of walking down a street and a complete stranger being victim of a handshake induction.

I prefer the vulcan mind melt and pinching the shoulder.

Seriously though without the framing of hypnosis beforehand ie being at a show or in a seminar I doubt it would work.

I used to practice on my nephew and he would go into trance but only for a few brief seconds.

Shrink

The only one well known enough to give the expectation of hypnosis to almost anyone he would meet today (in his home country) would be Derren Brown.

50 years ago, Dunninger might have been able to do it in the US.

Tony

But Tony your missing my point. STRANGER lets out the idea of well known. Without the expectation, it would never work.

Yes, the inductee is a stranger to the hypnostist.
I agree with you, the reputation and expectation of hypnosis is required.
Unless of course you use the chloraphome method from EoSH.

Tony