Carodid artery method!

Grab the neck, that must be one heck of a handshake Mr. Doyle!

You folks didn't read my post about this. I HAVE performed this on a total stranger, without any set up of my being a hypnotist, when I was doing lectures exposing the bogus satanic panic cult crime lecturers back in the late 80's and early 90's.

I've also done it when lecturing to science fiction clubs and conventions with no set ups at all.

It CAN be done, but it isn't EASY. The failure rate is pretty high and you need to move into utilization VERY quickly. I've got almost 40 years of experience under my belt of doing hypnosis on an almost daily basis during that time, in shows, lectures and one-on-one work and, believe me, this is a technique that is NOT easy, not a sure thing and one that, if you botch it, you had better have a GOOD cover for, or the person you try it on is going to either call the men in the white coats or call a cop.

Lee Darrow, C.H.

Lee, can you imagine performing it on a stranger outside of that lecture environment you describe.

For example, at a gathering and you meet someone for the first time. So you'd be an equal to that person, & not have the status of lecturer. If you follow me.

Also, is there a limitation to the depth of trance?

Lee:

We are not in disagreement. What is being said is: There has to be some sort of expectation of hypnosis. You may be strangers at the lecture, but they know you are a hypnotist, and the fact that you are lecturing puts you as an authoritative figure in the mind of the inductee. So there is a reasonable expectation that you can hypnotize him or her, even though you have never met.

The point that was being discussed, is you meet a perfect stranger on the street, a person that has no idea that you are a hypnotist, would you be able to do a handshake induction? What we are saying is that without the expectation of hypnosis, it would fail.

Tony

LEE:

Those people in the satanic cult lectures and science fiction lectures are already hypnotised.

Shrink

Shrink...


BINGO. Please stop stealing my posts before I write them as it is rude my friend. LOL.

Hypnotized in a lecture about the history of Buck Rogers, Shrink? Hardly. In this instance, I was lecturing because my Father had known Phil Nowlan, who was one of the originators OF Buck Rogers. No relation to hypnosis at all. Sorry.

Hypnotized in a lecture about why Wicca isn't Satanism? Hardly. In this instance, I was brought in as an outside expert on non-mainstream religions, not about hypnosis, but as a member of a research organization on religious movements, so I'm not sure I see how the expectation issue enters in this one, either.

Lee Darrow, C.H.

Lee: They are already in trance!

But well done with the hand shake induction..

Apparently the handshake induction doesn't work over in China. They just stare at your hand, and you have to go "Notice your focus change as you follow my hand ..."

Well, that makes sense since it's a pattern interrupt, and if its a culture where they don't shake hands, there's no pattern to interrupt. I would expect it to be a less feasible in Japan than china.

Perhaps a bow Interrupt induction?

Of course, culturally, the japanese are so polite, it is pretty easy to interrupt a lot of their patterns.

Shrink, in the Buck Rogers lecture, there was NO expectation, NO set up and NO pre-trance state, whatsoever. I respectfully disagree. The person I did the demonstration with had NO idea that it was coming. All they knew was that there would be some sort of demonstration in the class that related TO Buck Rogers and I did the pattern interrupt on him as he came up to the front of the room to talk about the Rocket Pistol. And that's about as far away from hypnosis as one can get.

And thanks for the kind words, they are appreciated, my friend. I do have to admit, I was quite pleased with the results - instant catalepsy, both eyes and the arm as well and post-hypnotic amnesia, too!

:D

Lee Darrow, C.H.

Lee

I don't doubt your skill. What I meant was these guys are in trance at these conventions. Rocket pistols? Now that's a trance if I ever heard of one!

As for handshake induction its something I have little experience of outside the context of stage or seminar.

I used to do it as a rapid induction in my shows. But as you know on stage is a "special" place.

If you say you did it outside that context then I take your word for it! Bandler is reported to have done it on a regular basis.

Brian

Bandler was "reputed" to do it on a regular basis. I gotta tell you though. I have heard stories and stories and heck Bigfoot has made the papers.

He didn't do it regularly on STRANGERS. Sorry. NO evidence exists for it.

Lee as YOU know there are about 5% of the population who will go into trance without the slightest provocation. Many of them enjoy the conventions of which you speak. The "out there" crowd. The more accepting beings. The "bigger thinkers". If you are to find one THAT is a good place to start.

Walk up to a STRANGER on the street, try it, and 95 out of 100 times MINUMUM you will fail absolutly and completly.

Actually they exist. Made by Gyrojet and featured in, among other places, the James Bond film "You Only Live Twice." The pistols fired small rocket munitions and were tested by the US Army as a possible replacement to the venerable M-1911 Colt .45ACP sidearm. The project was later scrapped as the weapons were rather inaccurate. And no, the attendees weren't "in trance" at the convention particularly at all as it was a convention of historians, not a science fiction convention in the one instance.



Yes, he did, and Norma Barretta was the one who first did it to me, at the First World Congress on NeuroLinguistic Programming outside of Detroit, MI in the mid-1970's. Caught me totally flat-footed as I went up to say "Hello" to her before a lecture. And, during that period, I was a refractory subject, due to my more than slightly analytic nature when it comes to induction methods.

Lee Darrow, C.H.

I believe you, you don't have to convince me!

When I talk about trance I mean everyday trance. I trance out just thinking about what these subjects might be about.If I knew more about them I'ld be well into trance.

Just reading and interacting on here is a trance inducer..

Shrink

Okay, got you. We were using two differing uses of the word trance. I tend to favor the more formal term where an induction has taken place, as opposed to the less defined version that you were using.

My apologies.

Lee Darrow, C.H.

I've had some more thoughts on this.

I've had the experience, a number of times, when working behind the counter in a shop & a customer (on occassions intimidating, on some occassions not) has confused me over the amount of change I've given him/her.

My maths is fine. But under pressure I've had the experience of not being able to count. For example, I've had say 38p in my hand but have only been able to count 25.

I know this sounds a bit surreal. But the effect was due to the communication I was having with the other person. Counting the money on my own wouldn't have produced the same effect - it was the pressure of the moment.

This is surely a form of hypnosis. & the effect lasted a good 10 seconds. Stuff like the hanshake induction claims to be able produce a similar effect. & it's quite believable.

I'm sure most people have had the experience of losing the ability of things like basic maths in intimidating situations.

Not quite a straight comparison to the handshake.

What you are speaking of is disorientation. The handshake is an "interupt" if you will. I know these are not the clinical terms but for our purposes it makes things easier.

Being disoriented and losing your ability to concentrate on a mathmatical problem is not the same as interupting natural pathways. You were disoriented on a conscious level, the handshake deals with interupting sub conscious.

Why do I have a feeling this thread is about to get VERY convoluted?

This is why hypnosis in this form is tough to discuss. To be confused may or may not be a form of trance. Confussion is conscious. The interupt spoken of interupts on a sub conscious level.

A pattern interrupt is often described as the intense searching for a response that a person goes into when presented with a response that is an automatic one and that gets interrupted in the middle - where no "middle" is usually even considered, such as a handshake.

Someone extends their hand and you take it and shake it - it's an automatic response unless one is really annoyed at the person.

A pattern interruption would be something like, as the person reaches to take your hand, you reach over with your OTHER hand and grasp their responding hand and life it up into the air in front of their face while stepping rapidly to the side and saying something quickly and softly in gibberish.

The person goes into something my friends refer to as "brain lock" and stands there for a moment or two, frozen, while their subconscious searches intensely for an appropriate response.

Just to clarify a bit.

Lee Darrow, C.H.