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Benji Bruce Special user 930 Posts |
I watched the effect at Hocus-pocus.com and it really is knotted and not clipped
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Peter Eggink V.I.P. Netherlands 399 Posts |
Hi everyone,
Wow, I didn't even knew that "Exit" was already up at Hocus-Pocus! I noticed that they uploaded the "Old" (webcam) demo, infact my very first footage of the actual effect. However, this video shows one of the three handlings taught. I forwarded the new video demo to Hocus-Pocus today, but in the meantime you are able to see it by following this link: http://www.petereggink.com/exit.wmv The new video demo shows another handling- the one I personally prefer to use, and this one has a much better quality as well. Best, Peter
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Jimmy Y Regular user 108 Posts |
I am interested in this effect but I have some questions.
I watched both video clips, both showed the rope knotted but knotted with a key clip? I key end up in the clip too. And I heard some clicking sound at 37 sec on the new video, is that what there is a clip? I hope I'm wrong though. Thanks.
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Peter Eggink V.I.P. Netherlands 399 Posts |
With all due respect, I’m not going to discuss the actual demo video.
Now I don’t want to sound harsh here but I simply don’t want to spend my time discussing pages long on just a demo video, or posts from people that will “fish” for possible methods. The demo shows EXACTLY what you are able to do; No fancy cuts or editing but just the routine from begin to end. What you see is what you get, so you either like it or you don’t. It’s that simple Did I sound harsh here? I hope I don’t as it was not my intention. Of course you can always contact me personally for any detailed questions you may have. I’ll be glad to help where I can. Cheers, Peter
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caigy Inner circle England 1199 Posts |
Wow Peter this looks good! Is the vanish shown on the clearer video clip, explained with the instructions of the effect?
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Craig Crossman Special user Palm Beach, Florida 523 Posts |
Peter and all potential Demo Video makers:
"What you see is what you get." Yes Peter, you are correct. And what I see on that Demo Video is you, from your UPPER WAIST up! You could actually be doing a complete tap dance below the camera, stuffing things up your shirt tail while using a roll of Scotch Tape... and from that demo video, we'd never know it! Your hands are OFF camera more than they are on!! OK, I KNOW that's NOT what you're doing but I'm making a POINT here. My point as it has ALWAYS been with DEMO videos is this: If you are going to take the time, effort and expense to make a demo video, let us see what a spectator would see in a LIVE performance! Breaking that down, here is how it should be made: 1. No music. 2. No fancy camera angles. 3. No artsy camera jiggling. 4. No edits and no cuts. Video it from start to finish in one CONTINUOUS shot. 5. Let us see a head-to-toe shot of you with NOTHING that's relevant to the effect off camera. 6. No screaming girls and spectators. Just YOU (and a volunteer if you need one) doing the trick in a quiet, well-lit room. Basically, make the demo video so that what we see is exactly what anyone would see if they were watching you LIVE. But for some reason, so MANY demo video directors feel they have to "entertain" us and make some MTV-wannabe video with fancy titles, flashy scene transitions and slick post-production techniques. It's as if they want to become the next Speilberg. Hello? We don't want to be ENTERTAINED. We just want to be INFORMED so we can make an intelligent decision when making a purchase! This is not the first time I have posted a similar rant and it looks like it won't be my last since we continue to see so many BAD demo videos. If would-be sellers would just follow the simple guidelines above, we would all be a lot more grateful! Please. Just a plain, vanilla, in focus, well-lit, non-fuzzy demo video showing the trick, continuously from start to finish. No amazed, screaming spectators. Just you, the performer/seller doing the trick. Period. Maybe one day... sigh. Actually, that's not fair. I have seen some really good demo videos that use the above guidelines. Hopefully we'll continue to see more of them! :) Craig Crossman |
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MagicMan1957 Inner circle 1445 Posts |
Craig I agree with most of what you say BUT when you perform an effect LIVE for an audience, when the moment comes when you have to do the special " SOMETHING " move needed for the effect to work, you can do a second or two of verbal or physical misdirection taking their eyes off the action for a moment.
With a video demo the misdirection might work on the first viewing but NOT on muliple viewings , possibly giving away the method. So how can the creators and marketors or magic get around this? I sure don,t know, but would hate to see the demos go away because of this. Not to get off subject but....... I feel magic on television also has this problem. When Copperfield did the TWISTING HAND effect to open one of his specials the camera cut away for a second when he did the " MOVE " while the live audience saw the entire effect but were misdirected momentarily. What does all this mean?......Heck if I know ! |
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Craig Crossman Special user Palm Beach, Florida 523 Posts |
MagicMan,
So do that moment of misdirection or whatever on the demo video as well! If it works for the live audience, it should work on the demo video too. As I said, perform it as you would in front of a live audience. As magi, we'll most likely notice it but that's better than just READING about an effect only to find out about the misdirection that's usually NOT mentioned in the promo copy AFTER we bought it! How many purchases are now in a drawer for just that reason? Demo Videos made the way I suggest keep them honest and I say let's keep it that way. :) Craig Crossman |
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MagicMan1957 Inner circle 1445 Posts |
Ahhhh Yes Craig, they probably should do it as seen live BUT, most likely many sales will be lost because of viewers ( hopefully magicians ) figuring out the effect.
Its a double edge sword. A video demo can greatly help sales. But can also hurt sales by showing methodology with repeated viewings. Also I think effects using props that cannot be easily found or made will not be greatly hurt if the demo is done well. But overall I agree with you, to market a magic product to magicians, if a TRUE video demo cannot be shown without fakery and off camera moves then none should be offered for that effect. |
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RickVancouver Special user Vancouver, BC 697 Posts |
It looks like Ring Flight with a twist, very interesting. I agree with Airship though, that it (the key) isn't knotted on the string, but on a key clip instead. But I'm OK with that.
My only concern is I wear a suit and tie when I perform. This might be a nuisance if I have to undo my tie and shirt collar everytime I perform it. Any suggestions Peter? Rick
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joseph Eternal Order Please ignore my 17407 Posts |
It seems that the ring or whatever to necklace is getting better every time... ..
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Jimmy Y Regular user 108 Posts |
I wasn't trying to fish for the method, I own lots of Ring Flight effects, and most of them are just based on the same principle with different gimmicks/handling. In fact I was trying to point out that the video demo is showing the method, and more importantly, according to the ad, what makes the effect seems so strong is the knotted string, but if there's a clip for the key, this seems kinda pointless to me, even there are 10 knots tied up.
I am 100% agree with Mr. Crossman, video demo is one of the biggest deciding factor for an effect, and most of us are already tired of misleading demos, that is why we wanted a good quality video demo that really shows what the effect can do. I am fine with the key clipped to a clip, but advertising the effect as key to knotted string is misleading imho. I am not trying to offend anyone here, I am just trying to say out a consumer's point of view, before making any purchases. Thanks.
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Peter Eggink V.I.P. Netherlands 399 Posts |
Thanks for all the comments, everyone. I really appreciate it.
The demo is accurate, fair and absolutely NOT misleading in anyway nor is the ad. If I did a full-body shot of the effect, you would see EXACTLY the same thing. There's nothing added or taken away. You'll have to take my word on this, as I'm not planning to shoot another demo. I like the demo as it is, and it represents the effect very well. These where my last comments on the actual demo video. End of story. As for the EFFECT: I think the demo speaks for itself. The Borrowed key is found clipped,laced and KNOTTED right above it, on you neck. A truely impossible condition! If you don't "get" it and if this all seems pointless to you, then I guess this effect is not for you. Rick: Yes, if you wear a suit and tie when you're performing, you'll have to undo your tie and shirt collar in order to reveal the key from behind your shirt. I can imagine that there are other revelations possible when wearing a suit, but I'm not sure if they will be as strong. I guess it all depends on your personal preferences and on how much you're willing to "give up", in order to present this unique effect. "Exit" comes complete with hand crafted lace, and 8 page full-color photo illustrated booklet detailing the routine, including a presentation by David Regal. The vanish (and revelation) of the key as shown in the new demo is included, as well as two other handlings and presentations. Oh...Don't expect REAL magic folks...It's just an Illusion Cheers, Peter
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Jon Allen V.I.P. England 1771 Posts |
I like the effect and I don't necessarily want to get involved in online videos for now. However, Peter, I would seriously think about describing the key as *knotted* on the lace. When I first heard that I assumed there is a knowt in the lace and the key is tied onto that knot. I feel most people will think the same. From the video, it seems the key is ona clip, la Ring Flight. This is definitely not a key knotted on a lace. If you are able to change the wording then I storngly suggest you do as the effect described (Key knotted on lace) is not what the trick is (Key on clip attached to lace).
I hope this is seen as helpful. Regards, Jon
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papawemba Special user 656 Posts |
I agree with others, it is not really knotted on rope and can figure that just by looking at the picture.
Anyway I like it a lot !! Surely on my buying list As most ring flight, I most worry about how long it will last, solidity... But it is definitively a great trick, thanks Peter ! Nicolas |
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Peter Eggink V.I.P. Netherlands 399 Posts |
John, nice to hear from you and thanks for your input. I appreciate it!
Although I respect your opinion, I do (k)not exactly agree with you here; If the lace was NOT knotted above the clipped key on the lace, I would say you're 100% right. Because the key is not DIRECTLY knotted on the lace doesn't make the key not knotted....I hope this makes sense? I guess it depends on how you look at it. Sorry for any misunderstanding that I've may caused... Peter PS. This was probably my weirdest post ever!
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Jon Allen V.I.P. England 1771 Posts |
Hi Peter,
It's a really good effect and I don't want you to get into the sort of toruble others ahve got into with misleading advertising. With this, it is putrely a matter of wording. If you ask magicians what a ring knotted on a lace would look like, I would think that pretty much every one would say it was a ring tied onto a lace with a knot. This is(k)not the case here and in fact is a totaly different looking effect. From the video, it looks like the ring is clipped onto a clasp that is attached to the lace. I am a huge fan of your effects and I don't want to see any potential problems for you over what the effect is to the buying magician. What do others think?
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
"the ring is clipped onto a clasp that is attached to the lace"
It's that simple. If the key was on the clasp from the start I would say OK to the key being knotted on the cord but it's not case. Now if you could disguise the clasp to look like a knotted part of cord... well... |
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Peter Eggink V.I.P. Netherlands 399 Posts |
Of course I don't want to sit here and being accused for "misleading advertising" I really want everyone to get the proper idea of the actual effect. So, To avoid further misunderstanding as for the effect, Here's the updated the Ad text:
The performer borrows a key from a spectator and has it magically and visually disappear from his hands, only to be found CLIPPED onto a clasp on a lace, which is tied around the performer’s neck! It’s even KNOTTED right above it! The key is released from the lace and is given back the spectator! Yes, it’s the borrowed key, and it’s THAT direct! I hope this clears everything up? Let me know if you need to know anything else. Thanks again for the words, John. I really appreciate it Cheers, Peter
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Jon Allen V.I.P. England 1771 Posts |
Pehter,
Good job in changing the wording. I'm sure it will save you many more emails and postings! Regards, Jon
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