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To me its not that big of a deal to pull a few moves everytime I play. its my bet that most people here subscribe to this same type of thinking. There not looking for a game to cheat in but if the chance does occur it wont bother them to discard someone whos being a little annoying at the table Smile
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On 2006-04-24 12:54, Vandy Grift wrote:
Getting the money has much more to do with the game in which you play than how well you move................But there is so much sugar laying out there on basement cards tables that you don't have to know a center deal from a center cut pork chop to take it.


Vandy - I couldn't agree more. Almost 30 years ago, I played in a regular Friday night poker game with my ex-brother-in-law (the obnoxious jerk) and his friends. It was nickel, dime, quarter and it was the same people week after week. Using the most basic moves, one could have made off with $100+ per night, which in the mid-70's was a little better than beer money.

My question is how would you graduate from those types of games to higher stakes? I did get into higher stakes just by mentioning the game to co-workers, who then decided we at work, should start our own game which always seemed to have higher stakes.

One of my co-workers brought his father, a doctor to one of our games who then invited me to one of his games with other doctors. All of this took place over the course of a year or so, so I could have easily graduated to 'semi-high stakes' just by casually mentioning my ex-brother-in-law's (the obnoxious jerk) game at work.

I guess that's one way but I wonder if there is a quicker way. Anyway, good post and thanks.

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Holden poker is a game that is usually played with up to ten players and a dealer who does not participate in the game. In informal games, however, dealing will pass from player to player.
The informal games are by and large played for much lesser stakes than formal games. One wonders if the stakes are worth the risk of cheating in such games. However, Them informal games offer more opportunities for the player to make moves than they could make in a formal game, as the players do not handle deck in a formal game. Everything about formal game is far more ceremonial and therefore more restrictive.
BUT I do not think anyone should ever kid themselves that informal games are easy to cheat in. The informal game is probably the most dangerous place to try and cheat. What I mean by that, is little games in the back room of pool halls are more likely to contain street wise kids, who may not be well educated either in school or in the art of cardsharping but they are not idiots. These guys live by their wits and instincts and the only have to think that someone is hustling them and that someone will be in trouble. Have you guys not seen The Cincinnati Kid and The Hustler? But no kidding it is not a game to cheat at cards. Personally I steer well clear of informal games. Formal games are far more civilized places to cheat but you have to be a dealer in my opinion. The company in high stakes games is slower despite what you might think but the formality of game restricts the moves you can make.
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I couldn't really tell you how to get invited to large stakes games. I was recently invited to play in a "high stakes" (high for me) game. My buddy said his boss at the place that he bartends holds poker games in back. I said "what would it take to get in" he said "I don't know, a few grand at least".

Now, that's is simply more cash than I want to play with at this time. I would have liked to sit in on the game and check it out. But I wasn't going to risk 3-5 grand to do it. I know that there are much bigger games around as well. I just got invited because I like to play cards and my buddy heard about a game. Other than word of mouth I'm not sure how you would get in. It's true that some people advertise games on the internet with some decent buy-ins. I think they are crazy to invite strangers into thier home and play like that. But that's just me.

I went to the bar and as I was walking up to the entrance a little kid was sitting outside. He asked me "are you here for the poker game?" (how's that for discression?) I said "no" and went inside. About an hour or so after I got there, a guy came out of the back, got on his cellphone and I could hear him telling his wife or girlfriend to grab 3 grand in cash and get down there ASAP. I have no idea what was going on back there, or even what game they were playing. But they were throwing some decent cash around.

So, to answer your question. I don't really know. I don't play all that big. But I know there are plenty of games going on that I could play in. Basement Hold Em' tourneys with 100-200 dollar buy ins etc and I have played in a few of those. But other than this game that is regularly being played in the bar, I don't know of any others. As far as REALLY big money, I wouldn't know where to begin to find a game like that. I couldn't afford it if I could find it.


P.S. Tommy may well be right about formal-vs-informal games and how hard it is to move etc. But, I still think there are no hard and fast rules. I think each and every game is different. Maybe we don't even agree about what is formal and what is informal. But I would defiantely have had to see this bigger game in action to even make a simple judgement about the character of the game and the character of the characters playing in it.
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The danger of being a newbie at a high stakes game is being whipsawed by the regulars.

There are many who feel that high stakes games anywhere are a guranteed whipsaw if you're not an exceptional player, and even if you are, it's pretty difficult to play against 9 other players who are acting as one.

They say if you're the new guy who takes a seat at the new Bobby's Room in Vegas, you'll get such a high quality Whipsawing, you'll forever bear the scars!
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Id would venture a guess that a country club(for tennis or golf) would be the best place to start for high stakes.
Also NY has a lot of undergound games. the scenes for rounders were based of acatual places the directors investigated. although recent raids have shut down a lot of them.
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If you guys want good moderately high stakes games, you should visit TOronto's chinatown and west end... there are so many "private clubs" and the average limit is 15-30 and 20-40 but it is not uncommon to find a 50-100 game...just don't go where Im at or ill have to break your bankroll and legs.... just kidding, I couldn't break your I used to work at some of these places for extra $$$ when I was in high school...If you want to find these games, just go to the G.B.H casino and play at one of the higher or no limit tables and you will most likely get invited to several different joints...

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