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Hi everyone,

I am very interested for this trick to work but I'm a litle confused! The book talks about a date in the 19th and 20th century but what about the 21 century?

*Do you know how to make it work for future date (2003-2004-...)?

*I founded a way but it is not "pure" Smile
Let's take "June 28, 2002" and "June 28, 2003"

for example:

1. June 28, 2002:

- 0 (month index) +28 (day) +0 (quarter of 02) = 28/7 gives 7 for rest. 7 - 2 (don't know why) =5 so it's a Friday (Monday being 1)

2. June 28, 2003:
- 0 (month index) +28 (day) +0 (quarter of 03) = 28/7 gives 7 for rest. 7 - 1 (don't know why) =6 so it's a Saturday (Monday being 1)

3. June 28, 2001:
- 0 (month index) +28 (day) +0 (quarter of 01) = 28/7 gives 7 for rest. 7 - 3 (don't know why) =4 so it's a Thursday (Monday being 1)

You can see, the only difference is the number you substract at the end (here 7)
This method seems to work but do you know any others?

Thanks a lot,
Nicolas (Belgium)
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Nicolas,

Check out the folowing link (if you don't already know it). It explains everything brilliantly.

http://members.aol.com/beagenius/calendar.html
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For the 21st centurey, just take one day away. If the answer is Friday in the 20th century, the answer is Thursday in the 21st century, if the answer is Wednesday in the 20th century, the answer is Tuesday in the 21st century, etc.

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Thank's a lot for responding, It is very helpful!
The link you show seems effectively very good Smile

Thank's again!
Nicolas
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Jack Dean's "You were There" makes this effect very easy and gives a prediction at the end.
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The existence of secret ways to make such a calculation should be protected from the prying eyes of the public and magic dabblers.

I think this thread should be moved to the INSIDE mentalism section,
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I learned a method many years ago from a book called "Instant Memory" by Robert Harbin.
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Although it probably doesn't rank in the "Top Secret" category (as Mark Farrar indicates MANY memory books detail the method - this is where I learnt it) the methods are used by mentalists today and as such shouldn't really be discussed in public, don't you think?

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Putting the words "calculate day date" into Google comes up with a load of sites in an instant which tell you how to perform this feat. As such, I hardly think it qualifies as secret at all.

Those of you that perform this, how do you "sell" it? As a supernatural power, a feat of gigantic memory, or simply as a calculation (pretending it's more difficult than it is)? Does it really get great reactions?

And am I the only one to have noticed that, having only just reached the magic 50 posts, mystic1 suddenly wants everything moved to the secret sessions?


Just wondered.....
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Yes, I have the same question as Nomcom above. How would a mentalist utilize this date calculation principle anyway? I guess the basic premise would be that someone gives you a meaningful date (month, day, and year), and the mentalist would be able to say what day of the week that date fell on, right? Is that the extent of using this principle? And would it really get that big of a reaction from somebody??

Does anyone know an effective way to use this day-of-the-week calculation principle in a routine??

Thanks!

P.S. I am relatively new to mentalism, and have just ordered Annemann's Mental Bargain Effects and a book by Corinda that someone else recommended on this site! I'm trying to teach myself the basics!
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Again, as an answer to your question I turn your attention to "You were there" by Jack Dean which not only displays an impressive "memory" effect to your audience (which also has a book of calendars for all those years to verify this) but also finishes with a prediction making it a great routine. Sorry if this seems like a shameless plug but Jack Dean was a great thinker when it came to ideas like this and he really did elevate it to a higher level than just a stunt.

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I’m very sorry for the inconvenience but I didn't know where to put this thread (If possible, I can erase the lines being to detailed) Smile
Thanks for the proposition of Jack Dean's
"You were there" which looks great but I prefer this to be impromptu (and living in Belgium, the postage will cost me the price of the trick!!).
Although, it begins to be more difficult than I thought! Smile

Regards,
Nicolas Smile
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On 2002-12-07 12:11, noncom wrote:

And am I the only one to have noticed that, having only just reached the magic 50 posts, mystic1 suddenly wants everything moved to the secret sessions?

Just wondered.....
Smile

andy


I noticed, too, but was not so kind. I figured he was "padding his posts" with constant rejoinders about secrecy in order to attain the 50 post mark.
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I’m very sorry for the inconvenience but I didn't know where to put this thread (If possible, I can erase the lines being to detailed) Smile
Regards,
Nicolas Smile


I wouldn't worry too much about it, Nicolas. No matter what you talk about, some self-professed guardian of the secrets is going to complain. It gets a little silly at times: after all, mentalists use math; can we not utter the word "addition," then? And since we use our voices in performances, a discussion of "vocal cords" is right out! The method you asked about is commonly known, even taught in some high school math classes.

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Ok, thanks clarkson!
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John, your constant derision of mentalists in general based on the comments of a few, is tiresome. Aside from proving your skill with the English language, and vocabulary, is it really any better than those posts your refer to? If you wish to comment on a specific post, do so, your broad comments in this and other threads are an insult to the majority of serious students of mentalism. Thanks.

back on topic...

Day for Date can be an impressive mental skill, and combined with other methods can make a good compliment to any routine. IMO it can be presented in a manner which allows multiple interpretations (mindreading, super memory, math skill) and will impress your audience in different ways.

Consider revealing a thought of date, (such as an anniversary) and beginning by revealing the day of the week. This can significantly enhance your presentation.
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Nice thought, Brian. Thanks. I'd only ever considered the possibility Corinda talks about of having a series of dates named and then revealing the day of the week in a dull and pointless way.

Perhaps I'll try and learn it now Smile

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On 2002-12-09 13:02, Brash wrote:
John, your constant derision of mentalists in general based on the comments of a few, is tiresome. Aside from proving your skill with the English language, and vocabulary, is it really any better than those posts your refer to? If you wish to comment on a specific post, do so, your broad comments in this and other threads are an insult to the majority of serious students of mentalism. Thanks.
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Brian, I don't deride mentalists, let alone *constantly* deride them. I have, on many occasions, posted that I think mentalists have a lot to offer to performing arts and that many, especially the more accomplished, have been very helpful. And, Brian, I have tried to be careful to use words like "some", "often," etc. when describing traits I dislike, precisely because I think the majority of mentalists are not represented by the comments of a few, and have said so explicitly on more than one occasion. It is simply that Nicolas (papwemba), after a post suggesting that discussing algorithms for determining a day from a date was inappropriate, nearly apologized for raising the topic. I didn't think he needed to.

I understand that you might find my posts tiresome, but I don't really intend to change the topics I address. I do try to avoid overly broad comments, but if you can direct me to some I have made about mentalists, I will gladly (and eagerly) edit those posts. I will also re-double my future efforts to avoid over-generalizing.

If you'd like, a discussion about the parameters of "secrets" might be useful. It seems a bit pointless, though, to have a forum of "Magicians Helping Magicians" if we can't discuss topics fairly openly. I mean, can you imagine what the pasteboard section would be like if we couldn't use the words "control a card?"

As far as skill with language and vocabulary, thank you (I think...), but I don't post to prove either of those traits. I just talk funny!

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I understand that you might find my posts tiresome, but I don't really intend to change the topics I address.


The problem is not this "topic" is that since a pair of week ago in all the forum that i read you always repeat in each post that "Mentalist are this and that".
It's not what you think that i could share or not(currently not,i've always find myself well with the online mentalist community) is the fatc that you repeat yourself so many times!!
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On 2002-12-09 20:08, Luke Kerr wrote:
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The problem is not this "topic" is that since a pair of week ago in all the forum that i read you always repeat in each post that "Mentalist are this and that".
It's not what you think that i could share or not(currently not,i've always find myself well with the online mentalist community) is the fatc that you repeat yourself so many times!!


Thank you, Luke, and now, if you will kindly direct me to specific posts in which I say "mentalists are this or that," I will edit them to make sure it is clear that I am not referring to ALL mentalists...

I agree, though, that I have probably posted more often about this topic than I'd like to. Everytime I see "attitude," (whether it is carping about "secrets" that really aren't or magician bashing) I jump right in and post. Maybe I need to examine my "savior complex" or something... and, perhaps, it would be better if I just let it fester and die on its own....

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