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joker 55 Special user England. 711 Posts |
Hi, I took my book, “Pure Effect,” into school for someone to have a quick browse of to see if they were going to buy it. While someone else I know seen it and asked about it, I told them the name and a little bit about it and today I came to school and he asked me how much I paid for it. I told him, “About £30.” He laughed and told me that he got it free off the Internet. Is there anyway of stopping this?
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M for Magic Special user 673 Posts |
Yes it is annoying isn't it.
Metallica was vilified for wanting to stop this type of thing happening with their music early in the file sharing wars. I have had the same thing happen with Magic Videos. I told a friend interested in magic about a video and where to purchase, he called me later that night and informed me he got it off of one of the file sharing systems - FREE. I can't recall which one, I use a Mac and he on a PC, but I was mortified. I support the purchase intellectual property, people have taken the time and effort to create and fortunately we live in a time where info is readily available and inexpensive to come by, so why not reward the creaters by actually paying for the info the designed and developed, the blood and tears of their labour. File sharing is definitely out of hand. -J |
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Partizan Inner circle London UK 1682 Posts |
If you think file sharing is out of hand then you have seen nothing.
Take a look at your DVD collection... Now FS search for a random selection of your titles, you should be able too find all of them. (DVD collection refers to movies not magic). Same goes for games/software, TV programs, music, data sets, photos, Illicit films, text, blueprints/recepies and much more. The morals of this are so. This sentance is digital, thus free too reproduce and distribute at no cost. This sentance is digital, thus free too reproduce and distribute at no cost. This sentance is digital, thus free too reproduce and distribute at no cost. When there is no physical product or the product can be represented digitally then you are asking for trouble. You are feeding a habit as old as humans. Trading.
"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus."
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Diavo Veteran user The District 357 Posts |
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This sentance is digital, thus free too reproduce and distribute at no cost. Sp: "sentence" with an e. ;P
I'm not just a magician, I'm an interpreter of Reality.
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Alym Amlani Inner circle Canada 1464 Posts |
Why is this in secret sessions?
Logic Defied
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Jerrine Special user Busking is work. 629 Posts |
Shhhh it's a secret!
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sunnydolan Veteran user Opelika, Alabama 342 Posts |
Well, as of right now theres nothing we can do about it. The Supreme Court ruled file-sharing legal a long time ago.
An amatuer practices untill he gets it right, a professinal practices untill he can't get it wrong.
Don't wait for oppurtunity to knock, throw open the door, grab it by the throat and drag it inside kicking and screaming. Magically yours |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2006-05-08 22:45, sunnydolan wrote: The book is protected by copyright. And sadly, most self respecting folks buy the products not as stuff but as a formal license to use the ideas and open a dialog with the author/inventor about the stuff.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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mindhunter Inner circle Upstate NY 2280 Posts |
Yes, Partizan...what you said is mostly true...but alas very unfortunate...
Bryn D. Reynolds, Author of:
"The Safwan Papers" & "The LOGAR Scrolls" Mentalism ebooks - PM any interest. My artwork: https://darkmountainarts.com |
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JackScratch Inner circle 2151 Posts |
I think it is particularly bad that all of those record companies are being put out of business, and the ones who aren't being put out of business are haveing to drasticly reduce their prices, just to stay in business. Did you know that Metallica had to work anywhere from 4 to 5 days to make those albums that made them billions. I'm telling you, it's just flat out of control.
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts |
Drew Heyen, sarcastic Magician.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
By that reasoning one should be very critical about someone who did a week's work and expects to be admired many many years later.
Even if copyright exists as a technological courtesy, it is by those considerations and courtesies that we make a society.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
Amen, Jonathan. Just as it is with Magic and our "social contract" not to reveal methods and principles not of our own invention.
- entity
email: tomebaxter@icloud.com
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JackScratch Inner circle 2151 Posts |
I'm not saying it is right. I am saying that this is much like when a "gangsta" is gunned down. I feel there are much better places for me to use my pity. Copyright law is absurd. Th record industry has been criminaly neglagent with its influence on society. It has used hype rather than quality to generate profits rather than art. I spare my pity, not for the rich artists being ripped of by file sharing, rather for the poor artists, many of whom would be happy to see their work being traded, if only because it ment people were listening. Being angry about the music file sharing is roughly akin to being angry at the starving urchin stealing from the company store. Sure it's a crime, sure it's wrong, but you're ignoring the much bigger criminal.
"Aw, the great big industry is falling victim to the radicaly false dependance on their product that they created. Pity Pity Pity" |
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
Music is free without stealing it. Get a radio.
To equate starving children taking food with internet yuppies downloading music (or magic) may be a bit off. - entity
email: tomebaxter@icloud.com
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JackScratch Inner circle 2151 Posts |
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On 2006-05-09 09:48, entity wrote: Yes, and if I made all of the assumptions that you just did, I might feel exactly the same way. As for the radio, interesting you should mention that. The music industry is so desperate for you to hear their product for free that the would be willing to pay people to play it for you,if that were legal,and yet they are drasticly opposed to peer to peer file sharing? That's quite a double standard isn't it? I wonder what the difference is. Why would they be worried about one yet love the other? Hmmm. Could it be choice? Do you suppose the music industry doesn't mind the radio because it feeds their machine, where as with peer to peer there is free will. Free will, the enemy of industry. The starving child paralel may be off a bit, but I think the company store parable strikes very close to the mark. Marketing is a shephards tool. A way to suck the morrow from the bones of the masses. Why invest in the creation of variety and choice when you can make a much larger profit by hyping a small selection to the masses? They don't like it? Tough, what are they going to do about it? They will buy what we sell them, and keep their mouths shut. |
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acmp Elite user Nottinghamshire 466 Posts |
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On 2006-05-09 09:48, entity wrote: Hang on a minute. Radio music is not free. It is payed for via PRS. But wait a minute, in America radio stations are not legally obliged to pay PRS unlike other countries in the world. In fact the UK pay more for music than the whole USA, even though we are tiny in comparision. The thing here is that the US government are activly promoting music theft by failing to enforce PRS payments. I don't see how you can sit on the moral high ground when your mound is made of rubbish. Simply put, double standards send mixed messages. Off topic, maybe, but I hope people can see the point
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JackScratch Inner circle 2151 Posts |
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On 2006-05-09 15:35, acmp wrote: If your point is that you smell a rat, then I not only get it, but agree with it. Capitalism is a holy word here in the US. You can almost anything you want, but attack capitalism and your a dirty pinko communist. I'm a fan of capitalism myself, but not at the cost of all else. I believe in capitalism, but not free range capitalism. Big money is allowed to do as it pleases these days, and I for one disagree with it. The bigger an entity is the more closely it should be watched and the more it should be restricted. In the information age, you can honestly buy power in a Representative Democracy. You can market representatives the exact same way you market any other product, and you will recieve the exact same results. The very few music producing industries have had a death grip on what we listen to for far too long. You can't have a rebelion without breaking laws, it's just not possible. |
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts |
I listen mostly to classical music or groups and artists I've known over the years, like the Beatles, so I don't feel I'm being restricted in what I listen to by the record companies. But as far as new music is concerned, Drew Heyen, Magician, has a point.
He also has a point about Capitalism (so-called) being virtually a religion in America. It is one of the big reasons why we (shamefully) have no national health insurance, because the powers that be have managed to equate national health insurance with--gasp!--Socialism, which they've equated with Communism, which is the way of the Devil! This way they can continue to exploit the masses until people have been so sucked dry they can no longer make ends meet. When that happens to enough people, then we'll see a real revolution in America. This discussion has entered into the realm of philosophy. For instance, there are those who consider property itself as theft. And then we go off into intellectual property and we're really on shakey ground. Has anybody managed to define that elusive concept outside of copyright and patent? |
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acmp Elite user Nottinghamshire 466 Posts |
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heven
Oh, and Star Trek, that's socialism at it's best, everyone working for society's embetterment. that Roddenbury bloke had some wacky ideas
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"Well if I had one wish in this god forsaken world, kids It'd be that your mistakes would be your own" |
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