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biingruwu
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Dear all,
Now I am practicing back palm a half dollar, but I found that it was impossible for me to hold a half dollar by designated fingers. Somotimes I can hold it, but when I wanna transform from back palm to palm, the half dollar dropped. Is there anybody can give me some advises?
Thank you all,
Biing
Jaz
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What coin resources do you own? Bobo's book? Others?

One way is to I release the pinky finger and there are other, better back of hand concealments IMO.
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The half may be too small for your hands. Try a larger coin, such as a Silver Dollar. Halves work fine for me in back palm, but then again, my hands aren't particularly large.

If that's not the problem, then you may still need to work up strength in the muscles that laterally support the index and pinky. Try holding the coin in 'position' for as long as you can. Once you've done this for a few days, try slowly going through the motions of transferring the coin.
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Evil sleight. This is my unicorn....I just can't seem to master it.
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I had some trouble getting out of backpalm in the traditional manner with my left hand until I tried this approach. As opposed to reversing the backpalm sleight to get out of the position I turn the hand down and make a fist( ala goshman/tenkai pinch )and slide the coin out with my thumb.
The method Jaz mentioned is also excellent if finger strength is a problem.
I think you can find an illustration of that method ( correct me if I am wrong) in the back of Bobo's book.
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Jaz
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I said: One way is to I release the pinky finger and there are other, better back of hand concealments IMO.

Katterfel22 says: I think you can find an illustration of that method ( correct me if I am wrong) in the back of Bobo's book.

It's near the back, yes.
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This is considered and obsolete sleight. Try either sol stone's first finger backclip or Tenki's pinch.

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I enter tenkai/goshman pinch like doing a back palm with a coin, that is basically the same move and entry I would use for a card backpalm, but end up holding the coin in tenkai/goshman pinch. You might find that works for you.
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Something else that helped me. Get some larger coins such as silver dollars or any larger heavier coin you can find. Practice the moves you want to do with those and you will find it much easier to work with smaller coins. Also try doing the sleights blindfolded or with your eyes closed to get a better feel of where the coin rests on your fingers during a sleight. This will help you to realize when a coin is out of the proper position in the sleight/grip. Hope this helps.
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Why would anyone use this sleight? I can't figure out any advantage to it over the Tenkai Pinch or even a Deep Backclip.
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The only advantages are marginally better angles, but certianly for clsoe up the funny fingered look makes it pretty obselete.
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On 2006-05-17 10:06, Jeff Corn wrote:
Why would anyone use this sleight? I can't figure out any advantage to it over the Tenkai Pinch or even a Deep Backclip.

A Backclip can have bad angles. I use a backpalm rather than any Backclip for this reason. Never fails. It protects me from curious eyes at adjoining tables.

Dan Watkins (I think) once suggested that if you can reach out and touch the shoulder of your customers, it's safe to use a Backclip. If you can't, it's not. I've never bothered worrying about it, but I'm sure this is good advice as it comes from Dan.

Personally, I don't think any sleight is obsolete. Each one has its use in the right circumstances.

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I think the backpalm is superior to any of the backclips I have seen. I feel the angles are much better. When you get good at it, a backpalm has only 1 move to either place or retrieve where backclips often take a multiple moves to place or retrieve them. This can use up time and require greater misdirection to “get away” with.

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Please perform coin through the knee with the same visability without using the back palm. Obsolete, sheesh, these kids!
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To get back to biingruwu's original question:

In what orientation are you holding your hand when you transfer from back to front palm? By that, I mean are you holding your hand perpendicular to the floor (so the audience out front can see your empty palm), or flat and parallel to the floor (so your close up audience can look down on your empty palm)?

In my close-up work I use the backpalm while my hand is parallel to the floor (indicating how a customer should hold out their hand for me to place coins onto it). I originally found this transfer much easier than the traditional stage-like, Miser's Dream version. If you manage this, you and your hand will eventually learn the right finger positions and grips for it to work in the other orientation.

Also, I would suggest getting a good palming coin and practising with that. The sharp milling on (for example) a Nielsen coin makes the move much easier, and again allows you to get the right positioning without dropping the coin all the time.

I hope that helps.

Ian
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On 2006-05-09 15:57, Rindfleisch wrote:
This is considered and obsolete sleight. Try either sol stone's first finger backclip or Tenki's pinch.

Joe Rindfleisch


No I don't Thank So! I use The Downs Handleing All the Time! And It's even order Then The Bobo's Handleing! The Angles Are Better!!!


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