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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts 
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Would appreciate some help in locating information pertaining to the history of Charlie Miller Indian style cups.
I understand that Morrisey was selling Charlie Miller Indian Cups but I am not able to find it at their site now. When and how did this set of cups started? Did anyone (including Charlie) actually use this set of cups in their performances? Where can I find a set - I would love to buy one too. Thanks in advance for the much needed info (for my indepth learning on all kinds of cups and balls history). |
geemack Loyal user Greg McNeil Peoria,Illinois 296 Posts
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James,
Morrissey still has these Indian style cups listed. (Their web site can be a bit difficult to navigate sometimes.) Check this page, a little more than half way down, right below the Chop Cups. Greg |
Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts
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Not sure if it is really true, but someone told me these were "end pieces" from drapery rods. Anyone know? (Palmer?)
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24315 Posts
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You know, they do look like that! But Morrissey has been manufacturing those for probably about 25 or 30 years. The set I have is one I inherited from the same guy I got my Charlie Miller regular cups from. I wouldn't be surprised, though.
In an article he wrote for Genii, I think he recommended using those Indian bells and cutting off the bottoms of them.
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts
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Where can I find info on when and how did this set of cups started? Did anyone (including Charlie) actually use this set of cups in their performances? Was this the first set used and were there any other Indian style cups that Charlie used?
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts
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On 2006-05-08 20:10, geemack wrote: Thanks, Greg, will get a couple of that sets from Morrissey asap. Really appreciate your info James Tong |
Richard Evans Inner circle 1379 Posts
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Charlie Miller published his Indian Cups & Balls routine in Magicana. Anyone know the year/issue - and if it's the same version as is/was sold with the brass Miller cups?
Thanks Richard
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three. Elayne Boosler
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Mitch Schneiter Special user West Linn, Oregon 672 Posts
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Charlie Miller covered the Indian Cups and Balls in two Magicanas: Genii Vol 33 No 3 Nov 68 and Genii Vol 33 No 4 Dec 68. In the first issue he introduces the props and sleights and in the second he explains his routine.
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Richard Evans Inner circle 1379 Posts
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That's great - thanks Mitch.
Richard
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three. Elayne Boosler
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts
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On 2006-05-16 16:37, Mitch Schneiter wrote: Thanks, Mitch for this valuable piece of information. Are this two manuscripts currently available, in any magic shops? I would love to get them. Anyone in this forum selling them? |
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Mitch Schneiter Special user West Linn, Oregon 672 Posts
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Are this two manuscripts currently available, in any magic shops? James - I bought my copies on E-Bay. You might check with Richard Kaufman at Genii Magazine as he has back issues of Genii available. I don't know if he has those issues though. You can also check with Michael Henkel of M.H. Magic Magazines: http://www.mhmagicmagazines.com He has quite a selection of old magazines and I have bought some hard to find magazines from him in the past. Hope this helps. Mitch |
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts
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Thanks, Mitch. I will just do that and hopefully either Richard Kaufman or Michael Henkel has those copies. You are a great help.
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Richard Evans Inner circle 1379 Posts
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Since we're on a roll here, I wondered if anyone can help out with another reference that I've tried to chase without any joy. I have a reference to an Indian cups & balls routine by John Pratt called the 'Hindoo Cups and Balls', but I don't know the year or the publisher. ?from the 1940's
Grateful for any info. Richard
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three. Elayne Boosler
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Paul Chosse V.I.P. 1955 - 2010 2389 Posts
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That's Johnny Platt, who spent the last years of his life in Hollywood. He was originally from Chicago. Johnny did an Indian Fakir style act. I'm sure Pete Biro remembers him. Abbott made a wooden set of Indian cups at one time, and Tayade from India made a beautiful set. There are several routines in print over the years - I have a file on this and will post the things I have when I get a chance to review the file...
Best, PSC
"You can't steal a gift..." Dizzy Gillespie
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts
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Platt's routine also included a bag and a funny gimmick inside the bag that deliverd one ball at a time... as the routine wound up with production of several, maybe a dozen, balls. It took me years to find one complete.
I believe Magic Inc. turned the cups Platt marketed, and I have a set that Jay Marshall gave me that was not finished (the top knob was not completed). With permission, I included a set of Platt's instructions when I sold sets of my cups. (temporarily out of stock).
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts
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One of my disappointments was seeing Johnny Platt on Don Alan's Magic Ranch TV shows do the cups and balls. He was in full hindu wardrobe, sat on the floor ala the Fakirs, but did the standard cups and balls with NON Indian Cups.
Sadly, in his later years, at the Magic Castle, he kept doing the cups and his skill level had dropped off to the point his final loads were constantly flashed. You got to know when to fold...
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Richard Evans Inner circle 1379 Posts
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Thanks Paul & Pete for the info.
Paul, if you get a chance to post the sources for Johnnny Platt's material I'd be very grateful. I have a copy of one of his booklets for cups and balls - though that refers to regular cups rather than Indian cups. If I remember correctly, Jim Riser has a picture of the Platt Indian cups on his website. Thanks again Richard
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three. Elayne Boosler
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts
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Pete, when do you think you would put your Hindu Cups in the market again? I am interested in them too.
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DrVG Loyal user 268 Posts
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Gentlemen, thanks for sharing the informations.
Took the plunge on Gary s Cheppum Panthum, whose material includes techniques AND patter in local dravidian language. It does not include any tips on final loads from the bag though, where could I find such material ? |
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