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Lou Hilario Inner circle 2235 Posts |
What glue or cement is used for transparent plastic celluloid sheets? I plan to restore and make a new cylinder for the Crystal Silk Cylinder trick.
I tried superglue but it turns white. I also tried rubber and contact cement but it separates when it gets hot. Someone told me to use acetone or chloroform so the plastic could melt and stick together but I haven't tried this yet.
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magicmarkdaniel Special user Bolton, England UK 831 Posts |
Hi Lou,
Myself and my Grandad used to make railway models from Plasticard and if memory serves we used acetone. It sort of melts the plastic together if you like and I have never experienced it going white as it would with superglue. It does heat up slightly on contact but takes a VERY short time to set (seconds). Check with a local craft or model shop but I'm almost certain acetone does the job. I suppose it also depends on the plastic you're using. Mark
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Stuart Coyle New user Australia 62 Posts |
If acetone doesn't work you can get transparent epoxy glues. Araldite Clear is the brand I have used on acrylic, glass and some other plastics. I'm not sure about celluloid though...test it first. It does dry clear. You have to make sure that the coating is nice and even.
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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
Do a search for Plastic Cement.
POOF!
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gerard1973 Special user Michigan, U.S.A. 688 Posts |
Lou:
Use a polyurethane glue like Gorilla Glue. Polyurethane glues will worlk on just about everything.
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
I would think that if you could clamp the seam for the entire length, the acetone would probably flow into and along the joint pretty well. You must take care that the qcetone doesn't get between the celluloid and the clamo(s), however, or you could have a real mess.
I have some UHU Universal Plastic Adhesive that came with a German model kit for my outdoor train layout. It says that it is suitable for use on celluloid. I'm not sure where it is manufactured, but it looks and smells just like American plastic model cement. I would think that it would be very difficult to get the seam lined up, apply the fairly thick cement, and keep it only in the seam. If the acetone will work, it would make for a much neater joint, but make sure you have plenty of ventilation. Amos McCormick
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kaytracy Inner circle Central California 1793 Posts |
First, when dealing wtih glues and materials, make sure you are understanding the terms! Celluloid is made from wood, and is very different from Acetate- which is what a lot of overhead projector sheeting is made from. Glues for one sort of product might not work well on others. There are many plastics that some will tell you to use "super glue" or cyanoacrylate glues on, and they will fog up and become milky from the vapors- Polycarbonate, and the clear bits in airplane models are two of the ones I know about.
Good resources for what glue to use are, model makers hobby shops, and the manufacturer of the material. Acetone acts like a solvent, and only a drop or two at a time needs to be used. I would submit a suggestion that there are plastic and polycarbonate cylinders that are ready made- look under mailing tubes, and packaging, you might find the size tube you need ready made, just cut to size and add the sparkly bits. k
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kaytracy Inner circle Central California 1793 Posts |
As an example
tp://www.uline.com/Browse_Listing_3651.asp?pricode=wf586 k
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
Kaytracy, somehow you lost an "hp" along the way in your URL...
Those tubes might be great, but the largest size offered is 3 inches. Amos McCormick
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Lou Hilario Inner circle 2235 Posts |
I guess I made a mistake. I don't think the plastic sheet I got was celluloid. It's a gauge 20 flexible plastic with a shade of blue in it. I tried acetone but it doesn't even dissolve it at all. Neither does it stick together.
I'll try the other clear plastic adhesives except the super glue type.
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kaytracy Inner circle Central California 1793 Posts |
Thanks Amos- sometimes I miss on the copy/paste thing! They do make larger tubes, just not carried at U-line!
Lou, if you have the info on who makes the sheet (the folks you bought it from should be able to tell you) they shoulc be able to help youwith the best adhesive. You might be able to use a clear double stick tape as an interrim- I think that the tape would be able to be cleaned off with the Acetone when you get the right adhesive! LIkely another volatile type solvent like MEK, or such will do it, but then you get into some other health concerns, and care with ventilation and not breathing the vapors is very important. I really would ask the manufacturer what is the best adhesive to use on it if you can. k Edited: I found this one up to 4" http://www.cleartecpackaging.com/sealed_bottom_tubes.asp There are several online you can choose from and one says they will make custome sizes too! k
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
There you go! I don't see any prices or minumum orders, but these companies can usually work with you for hobby-type applications or refer you to a small-quantity distributor/dealer.
If you really want to do it right, look for Lucite tubes. Much more expensive, but probably much more professional-looking and more durable. Amos McCormick
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sepaternoster New user 62 Posts |
I remember one time when I ran out of airplane glue; my grandfather supplied me with lacquer thinner and an acid brush. It melted many of the plastic parts, until I learned to use it sparingly. Just a thought...
Seth
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Lou Hilario Inner circle 2235 Posts |
I just found out that the plastic sheet I am using is called "acetate" gauge 20. It has a little bit shade of blue in it. Thanks guys for all your suggestions. I will post when I find the right clear glue for this.
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kaytracy Inner circle Central California 1793 Posts |
I was at the local TAP plasstics store this weekend, they have a catalog online, and they make cast acrylic tubing in a large number of sizes. No seams, possible alternative to gluing things. They also might be able to tell you what adhesive to use, they are very helpful.
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
One thing about acrylic tubing is that you might have to order a minimum length from your local supplier or fabricator. For example, I was looking for a two-foot piece of 3-inch diameter material several years ago, but the local dealer/fabricator said I would have to order a minimum quantity of eight feet. They used smaller material in some of the items they manufactured, but they had no use for material that large.
Here's another possibility - I just did an eBay search for "acrylic tube" and found several listings. Try this one: http://stores.ebay.com/SIMPLY-ACRYLICS_R......QQfsubZ3 Hope this helps. Amos McCormick
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ekozuch Veteran user argentina 329 Posts |
Did you try spray 3 M Super 77?
It works on almost any surface. |
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