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scaress Veteran user salt lake city 337 Posts |
I'm planning a comedy act where I cut a woman open with a circular saw that sprays blood.
I'm having trouble with the device that squirts blood onto the spinning blade. I'm not really getting the firehose effect I was thinking of. anyone care to offer some advice? |
ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
I can't see what is funny about spraying blood on a spinning power saw, but to each his own... Have you tried using a squeeze bulb and tube used on dress levelers sol by fabric shops? They usually have replacements so you don't have to buy the whole thing. That's probably not what it's called, but it sits on the floor and it looks like a yardstick in a metal base. Any fabric shop should know what you're looking for.
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
Most power tools are designed to contain that kind of "spray", as that reduces the chance of the user, or bystanders from getting pummeled with saw dust, wood chips, and other flying debris.
I'd think the spray needs to come from a nearby source that is assumed to be coming from the saw.
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Michael's probably thinking along the right lines. I don't know the setup you're using for the trick, so it's tough to figure out how to rig things for you, but if you want a "firehose" effect, get a pump for an indoor or outdoor garden fountain. Maybe play with some of those cake decorator nozzles for a good spray. You'll need to find a place to store a large reservoir of blood, as well.
Use a suction bulb, avaliable in the baby aisle of most drug stores, to squirt blood onto the blade itself, or use a T connecter for an aquarium pump to divert some of the liquid from the main spray.
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kaytracy Inner circle Central California 1793 Posts |
Consider a pressurized water sprayer, there is a smaller sized one that was sold for a while in the local costco in a two pack, you got a bottle about 1/2 quart sized in an insulated carrier, a 2-3 foot bit of hose connected to a spray nozzle. Pump the handle on the bottle (like a smake bike tire pump) a few times, and push the button on the nozzle for the spritz. This was designed for summer cooling so the nozzle was fine spray, but I think a moment at the H-ware store for a different nozzle, or a pin vise for a bigger hole will do it.slip the bottle- pressurized- out of site, and run the nozzle and hose to where you need.
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scaress Veteran user salt lake city 337 Posts |
Kay, that sounds like the best idea yet. I don't recall ever seeing that water sprayer before, would it be near the summer/pool/toy stuff?
squirting the blood onto the safe theatrical blade actually works pretty well for a directional spray. I just need a descreet looking, yet high capacity delivery device. I've tried a rubber bulb, but the effect was a pathetic trickle that MIGHT be seen by the spectators in the back. the idea was to hand out clear plastic to the front row a-la Gallagher, so I need substantial spray. |
sepaternoster New user 62 Posts |
Similar pressurizable (hmmm, is that a word?) bottles are sold for applying insect poisons. You can probably find them in any lawn and garden center. However, I can't recall ever seeing any as small as what Kay is talking about, and I doubt that a single pressure charge is capable of emptying the bottle. So, I think you're probably better off with the smaller bottle, since it will be easier to hide.
Just a thought... Seth
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
What about a seltzer bottle?
It delivers a high charge blast of fluid. Always worked for The 3 Stooges.
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sepaternoster New user 62 Posts |
Oh, that gives me another idea. Maybe you could start with a squirt gun. The battery operated ones are noisy, but that won't matter with a power saw running.
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George Ledo Magic Café Columnist SF Bay Area 3042 Posts |
Granted that I wouldn't think your effect is funny, but what the heck, to each his own...
The battery-powered squirt gun sounds like a good idea. There are probably lots of models available now that the stores are gearing up for the summer. A number of years ago, a horror movie (I'm trying to remember the name, but the movie was very forgettable), used a turbine-like device made out of an auger bit inside a tight-fitting tube, run by a drill. That blood went straight out several feet. I'm thinking this type of device could be built right into the saw so it moves right along with it. But then again, you can probably take a squirt gun apart and build the works right onto the saw. Me, I'd sit in the back row...
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kaytracy Inner circle Central California 1793 Posts |
The pool and summer section it was, pwersonal sprayer or some such name, a google might turn up several thiings ;} and one might be the ticket!
There are small garden/hudson sprayers, 1.2 gal size, so if you have a large enough base, those could be hidden. (How about a Water-Weenie with a hose and a valved nozzle on the end, should add about $5 to the cost of the water weenie.) k
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Aaa! I forgot about the water-weenie! Elastic rubber tubing- cheap, powerful, and easily replacible. You could hide it just about anywhere. The real trick is filling the sucker ahead of time.
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Starrpower Inner circle 4070 Posts |
Ho about a water pump from a car? It's a turbine, and could be hooked directly to the shaft of the power saw so it wouldn't need an alternate power source.
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Marvello Inner circle It's amazing how little I can say in 1612 Posts |
Why not just do like GWAR does and use plastic tubing and a pump?
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FacadeTheStiltBoy Elite user Greensboro NC 474 Posts |
Probibly because they don't expend 50 gallons a night.
(for those who don't understand this, go see GWAR live) But if the blade is spinning, having the blood hit the blade first would still re direct it and throw it all over the stage, you, the assistant and the croud. And be sure to post pictures of audience reactions to this, this is gonna be great! |
scaress Veteran user salt lake city 337 Posts |
Water weenie would be perfect, if I can find one.
I just tried a balloon with a dish washing soap bottle cap. it worked perfectly. not GWAR perfectly, but I think it will do. I'm a little worried blood might hit a speaker or something. if I have time before the show I'll try to rig something that feeds solid viscera into the blade. but I have to finish a black art surgery table first. promise I'll post whatever pics I can. thanks everyone. |
gsidhe Inner circle Michigan 1725 Posts |
A bit late getting on board with this one...But blood showers are a speciality of mine...
You need a garden weed sprayer...Not the little dinky one, but the one with a canister that looks like a fire extinguisher. This by itself can do massive blood spray. Too big? Get surgical tubing and cut it to length...About 2 feet should do. Knot one end, pump up the garden weed sprayer filled with blood. Get a surgical tube clamp (Know anyone who works in hospitals? they can usually snag one or two for you, or go to a medical supply place. They're pretty durned cheap.) Put the clamp over the tubing, then attach the open end to the garden sprayer. Fill 'er up and close the clamp.The clamp comes off with a simple press in the right place and you have about a 5 second gush o blood with distance. You want more...Use a longer tube. Small, compact, and a lot of blood. These can be set well ahead of time with the clamps. HOWEVER...If accidentally set off...You now have a blood rocket. Also...The fear of hitting speakers is VERY legit. Dropcloths are your friends. If you are doing surgical stuff...It actually comes to your advantage. Surgical blue cloths go a long way towards atmosphere. Just a side note about the pressure sprayers...Attach a clear tube to the end of the nozzle. Fill the tube with my favourite...Blackberry Pie Filling from a can, cork it with stage blood soaked cotton. Place it behind whatever you want to produce the splatter (Great for gunshot effects when you want the effect of the bullet coming out the other side, pushing your hand from the front of a person to the back, anything with penetration) and preferably, aim it at something white. When you want the splatter, a quick nudge of the trigger on the sprayer and you have high velocity gore and clotty bits with a very wide pattern instead of a stream. Here is a pic of some of my work in action...(Warning...Graphic image) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/g......97_l.jpg If anyone EVER needs help with gore effects on a budget...Let me know. I've been at this stuff for a long time and have done everything from having a woman swell up like she was pregnant and explode (self contained- Not attached to anything not on her person) to having a persons intestines reeled out onto a barbed wire rotisserie (Like in the Cell). And I love to come up with new stuff. Please feel free to pick my brain! (I wonder if I could figure out how to do that on stage...) Gwyd |
scaress Veteran user salt lake city 337 Posts |
Oh my god! I thought I was the freak here.
I bet you hear that a lot. thanks a bunch Gwyd, I think I will pick your brain. I got the saw to work well with a water balloon squrting onto the blade, but I will try the tubing thing. you put the blackberrys in the tube with the blood? I think this show will fall through. I'm not surprised, I do live in Salt Lake City. but I'll put the act together and try to pitch it to the club owners later (i've never actually met them). mind if I ask how you broke into the goth club market? |
gsidhe Inner circle Michigan 1725 Posts |
Sorry to be so long responding!
And yes...I hear that a lot! (And love it every time) Not straight blackberries...Blackberry pie filling from a can. Works wonders, and the seeds are pretty small. I wouldn't use it with the surgical tubing as it would clog the filling nozzle, but the splatter effect with fish hoze connected directly to a sprayer works great (If I'm confusing, I can draw it out pretty quickly- It was two seperate effects). How did I break into the goth scene? My re-emergence into magic and effects started in the goth scene. When I was much younger, I started as a ballon twister, kid show magician. I got out of it for about 10 years. I was working on a film, co directing and designing special effects. A firebreather on the set asked if I could help her with some effects for a new show she was starting that was Goth/Fetish oriented. I agreed. When I showed up for the show, her cast had bailed, and I was all that she had there. Being rather Gothy myself, I didn't need makeup or costuming and simply stepped in. I found out (Afterwards)that it was the first time she had done this type of show, and that from that one gig, she had booked a weekly show. From there out it blossomed. I started doing magic again (Fetish Clubs...Can you say Escapes?)developing fire skills, learning more sideshow acts, and designing cheap and effective live effects. Now we go to the Goth clubs accross the state, work with bands, headline at music fests... So...I guess it was by accident. Now I am starting to get work in the non goth scene as well. I kinda did it backwards. Absolutely love it though! Gwyd |
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