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Snidini
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Wow Bill, thanks for providing all these search options on the Skinner routine. Ammar does have a couple of different "kicker" moves as Hoelderlin says that keeps the cards in his hands on the final revelation. It makes grabbing them impossible for the spectator and yet with his use of the "himber" it allows him to pull out a regular set for them to touch/inspect the cards appearing that all is fair. I guess it all boils down to audience/spectator management.

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I think the best way to do this trick is to take them out of the deck and show them as the routine describes. Sometimes more is less in magic. I am not sure as to why you would put them into a wallet at the end of a trick. Do you take them out of the deck first? I have always found it a little odd that someone just has 3 cards for a trick. I immediately think they are trick cards. Whereas if you show them a whole deck and force the 2 of clubs then it is only logical to go through the deck and pull out the 3 of clubs and an opposite color ace (like the ace of hearts). I have never had anyone ask to see them after this method. The spectators don't think you are using funny cards if they picked the one card that started it all. Just my opinion.
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I like that idea alot... forcing the first card for a 3 card effect...
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Nairbles,

Thanks. It works for me. I use the classic force so to the spectator it seems like real magic. Just my 2 cents.

Patrick
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I have adapted a way to switch the gimmicked cards with ordinary cards, making it look as if they came from the deck. So when I finish, they don't examnine the cards anymore, since they already did the first time around.
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Do you mind sharing this?
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I have to say that I've never seen Skinner's handling of this routine...only Bill Malone's...

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It's almost the same Rick.

Tbaer - I use a Braue Reversal move for the switch.
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Great
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Could it be that the initial goal is maybe not the right one? Performing a gaffed monte type trick for 10-12 year olds?
I think that this effect was never intended for that purpose. So the "problem" of children wanting to examine the cards seems a little far sought.

If you insist to do this the next problem might be: Are there any himberwallets that lock automatically? I use a himber wallet for children and they want to examine it...

I found the answer where the color monte effect was mentioned the most appropriate.
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I have solved this problem with close-up audiences of every age with routining. I have shared my thoughts on Monte effects in these forums. The problem with challenging audiences is that in a challenge situation they may choose the least likely and therefore correct choice. Skinner's U3CM suffers from the "too perfect" syndrome, and therefore must be covered by creative and skillfull routining.

Just to give you an idea: I recently taught a magic class to 10-14 year olds. During the class I taught Color Monte as a skill lesson. To amuse myself during lunch break I played a real 3 card monte with the kids. After the first couple of burns, they began looking away from the obvious choice, so I burned them by performing legitimate throws. One on the kids pointed out that he "hated this trick" because it was impossible to win (I cheated too well). My response was that it should serve as a lesson never to use Monte effects as a challenge, because there is nothing entertaining about loosing unless it is someone else doing the loosing. The most entertaining monte routines are often about how the performer was conned.

There endth the lesson on monte effects for the many-ith time.

Regarding props: Examinable? Who cares? I believe that attitude and confidence generally dismiss this "let me see that" attitude. I move on putting away things I can't have examined a proceed to the next effect ignoring the occasional plea for examination.

No, these things are mine and they have sentimental and or monetary value and no you can't put your sticky fingers all over them. And if you're over 15; No. I'm the magician and you ought to grow up, it's a trick and no, you don't get to spoil the illusion that I just presented. Oh, you know how it's done? Great, then maybe you ought to be in my place pumping out the energy; here are a couple of sponge balls; do some magic for us Mr. Big Mouth! Can't? Oh, can I go back to work now without any further rude interuptions? Thanks!

I'm a big boy and can handle the sceptic and heckler with a wink and or comment.
"Let me see those cards!"
"You just saw them, amazing weren't they?" He said with a wink and a smile. "Here, you better check out these dice; lest I be accused of using trick cards AND dice. Are they legitimate?"
"Yes."
"So you think, watch them." the magician says rolling into the "The Rules" (Bob Sheets funny take on the Dr. Sachs dice routine) with smooth skills quieting the "You're using trick stuff" people.

I guess the attitude that the magic is in you rather than in the thing you use generally soaks through to the audience. You only need handle the occasional wise-ass, with a little skill.
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I have a question regarding the presentation:

Both the Michael Skinner & Bill Malone routines place the 3 cards on the table with no subsequent "moves". Then suddenly the magic happens, and the cards switch places. It seems to me that this screams "gaffed cards".

I personally add a few very simple "monte" moves, just to take the heat off the 3 cards. Does this make any sense? I know Bill Malone gets a fantastic reaction from the audience with his presentation.

Any thoughts?
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Frog52

While I understand your concern, I've performed Skinner's Ultimate 3 Card Monte a lot in the real world, I use two phases where the cards change with no "moves," and I've not once had people say or otherwise act as if they thought that there was something special about the cards. I always remove the three cards from a full deck, though, because if you simply remove the three cards from a plastic wallet, from your pocket, etc., you're telegraphing to the audience that there's something special about the cards.

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Larry,

Thanks for the response. Do you think anything is taken away from the routine by doing some simple, straightforward moves?

Rod.
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Rod, no, I don't think "moves" take away from the routine if done slowly and deliberately.
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This is a true self-working miracle! I like to follow the Ultimate 3 Card Monte with the Twisted Sisters.
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My favorite part is putting the gaffs in the spectators hands...it gives you that warm fuzzy feeling inside! - Bob Kohler
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I have performed Skinner's 3 Card Monte for years. I remove the regular cards from the deck and in their place I use Skinner's cards. They just sit there and wait for me to bring them into play. I have never once in all the years doing this routine ever been accused of using gaffed cards. Its in the way I bring them into play. I do several card effects prior to bringing Skinner's cards into play. You can display the cards in such a way that they appear to be normal.

Best,

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I found the 2 best possible ways are to use The Exchange deck, which is in general one of the best solutions switching cards and packets. Yes, I know you ars till left dirty, but in these cases it is not about examine the deck, instead they just want AND can see single cards/ packets.
The very best solution I think without any doubt is using a the Ambitious Riser for switching them out. There is no better way I guess.

Maybe this is helpful for you,

Jah
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Another handling tip for Skinner's U3CM:
The fact that the ace and 3 ALWAYS are the two cards that transpose bothered me. A real Monte player would use two like cards and one odd money card. So I toss out the 2 and use two black three's and the ace. I think this technically strengthens the trick although those of you that pull the cards from a deck (a detail which eludes me, because with a straight Monte, I, or any street thrower for that matter, wouldn't and don't pull cards from a deck to start the game) loose that option. Also regarding the character of the cards, if you use the drop count suggested in the instructions, the cards all seem to be shown quite fairly and further the illusion. These are just a little touches that I use, please feel free to ignore them.
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I love this effect but you need to find the right place to perform it as close up theres a danger of grabbers (and before anyone says about good audience management)you can have the best management of spectators but you will one day get someone grab a card
I like to perform this behind a table with a bit of distance but wouldnt use it table hopping close up
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