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equivoque
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On 2006-05-29 02:04, ClouDsss wrote:
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On 2006-05-29 00:44, SBogunia wrote:
No one alive can say they came up with PK magic stuff. Even if it is a different magnet.Magnetic ring tricks have been with us for over 100 years....


And it is only after a hundred years someone creative decides to make a ring using neo-****** to make PK effects easier.



What the hell is your point?
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Well, to put it simply, and easier to understand, regardless of how many years PK effects have been with us, the first type of fully magnetic wedding band ring released was Wizard PK Ring. And that tells us a bit of how some people are creative enough to use something common and turn it into something for the magic industry.

If the Wizard PK was not be released, would Neo Ring, IPK and whatever be released? Would they even think of such an item despite all the countless claims that it has been around for many years. Well, maybe yes, maybe no. But then again, theres really no way to prove this now is there?

All I know is, Wizard is successful and hence, other dealers find it profitable to use the design of the Wizard (or uncannily similar design), so as to have a share in the market pie.

Another example here, DL has been around for donkey years. But then the diving board double, another variation of the DL but with a flourishy aspect, was only released recently due to the creative mind of Lee Asher. A unique handling of the DL.
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Your post makes no sense whatsoever. Magnet rings in one form or another have been around forever. Therefore, there is nothing wrong morally or ethically with any number of companies making magnetic rings. Give it up! let it go!
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I thought we were always discussing about the magic industry and not other industries?

Other stuff such as double sided tape, glue, slits, etc are also being used in other industries. However, it is still original if used in the magic context.

If you are refering to other industries and NOT the magic industry, then I sincerely apologise for gettin the wrong msg from you.

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On 2006-05-29 00:44, SBogunia wrote:
No one alive can say they came up with PK magic stuff. Even if it is a different magnet.Magnetic ring tricks have been with us for over 100 years....

That’s right Sbogunia, and it also applies to the
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Effects using a magnet dates back to the early 1800's. A PK rag is nothing new. If you start tracing when it was adapted to a ring. I have had my fathers PK which he got from his father. That brings it back to the late 1800's and up. Joe Proper can't complain about his Strong Box being ripped off. So far I've been able to date the strong box back to 1971. Magiro of Germany famous for his Hydro Die, everyone says it was his method. Wrong again, with research this again dated back to the late 60's and early 70's, so all those tricks Magiro put out with crediting anyone are not his invention. Popers folding key, my lord they have been around. forever too.

Don't be so hard on the quality of the effects being of cheap quality, some are, but China Magic sellers have stepped up their game. Like Angelo's "The Gift". same packaging and same exact product. I have to agree with another fellow I've been chatting with here on the Café. I really wanted to see what some of this stuff was like. Well really only one. The 45 degree lean. I've seen this sell for 1500.00, the ones from China are just as good if not better and they sell for 30.00. Believe it or not 30.00 converted into Chinese currency is very strong.

One thing that really does bother me is the blatant copyright fraud as they are making mini books that are copies of an original routine. But again no one seems to care and just let it slide. Unless you have a patent on an effect, there's no stopping them, and there aren't many of us who could afford a corporate attorney to litigate it.

You could try a class action suit and notify Customs of the incoming flux of ripped off material, but if it's not a life threatening concern I don't think anyone would even follow up.

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In the meantime, how many dealers sell their own invisible thread? How many just buy their own from a thread shop? Seriously, all this crying foul is kind of ridiculous. Selling magic stuff is no different than selling anything else on the market, and all must abide by the same rules and laws.
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One would hope so.
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