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Neznarf
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I have two of Kovari's Turbo bunny's

Turbo Bunny = "Run Rabbit Run"

http://www.waterfallstudios.co.uk/kovarimagic/sdex.htm

Click on Children's Magic and It's about 3/4 down the page.

I think Kovari is having some health problems so I don't
know if he will take orders or answer e-mails?

I've used Turbo Bunny in my kids shows for many years and it's a killer.

I put Library one one door and School on the other.
(you know because the rabbit is smart because he goes to school and the library)

One of the reasons I purchased it was because Rich Block told me what a great prop it was.

Rich Block was one of the owners of Collectors Workshop at the time. And is a GREAT guy.

Does anyone own Turbo Bunny and Run Wolf Run?

If so I could you give us a comparison.

Thx,

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I'm hopefully receiving my Run Wolf Run shortly, and my friend Robbie has Turbo Bunny. I was also wondering how they compare, so I'll let you know shortly!
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I don't own Turbo Bunny but my viewing of the images on the link provided tell me that there is absolutely no comparison between the two. Turbo Bunny looks pretty plain and unexciting and this is in contrast to the stunning graphics of the Run Wolf Run which was designed/drawn/built by a former cartoon artist. I would think that Doug aka Potty the Pirate will say likewise. Also, the mechanics/engineering on the RWR is likely clearly superior given the materials that Chance uses.

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Turbo Bunny looks pretty plain and unexciting and this is in contrast to the stunning graphics of the Run Wolf Run which was designed/drawn/built by a former cartoon artist

Hi,
I do not perform this effect ,However there is a thread going about this on a private forum of which I am a member , the genneral opinion there and these are all full time pros. is that the fancy artwork on the wolf version is its weakness. the plainess of turbo bunny and apparently great mechanism and easy to operate are its strenghts. I can see what these performers mean the wolf thing is great looking but way too busy and intricate. the crossing of the wolf can be easily missed and the vannish weak because of the frames size
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the genneral opinion there and these are all full time pros. is that the fancy artwork on the wolf version is its weakness.


WOW!! Maybe an eye exam is in order or people should buy the prop first before passing judgement. Sorry, but I gotta defend my prop. We tested this in our shop, which is over 70 FEET long and all actions were EASILY seen.
For the most part, I think MOST Run ____Run props do not play to a big audience with the EXCEPTION of KOVARI'S Turbo Bunny. He seemed to have stripped it right down to the basics. Not my cup of tea but good thinking and looks to be a GREAT PROP!!
Too each his own but I really encourage people to actually try a product, watch it live or read a working review before posting opinions on a props workability.
No offense taken, just stating my case Smile
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Has anyone from your private forum actually used either effect? Would you happen to know if they own Run Wolf Run?
I just used Run Wolf Run for the first time on Saturday. I had no problems with anybody NOT seeing the Wolf. Every time they saw the Wolf the kids would scream.
Even the parents in the cheap seats were pointing out with the kids to where the Wolf was. This is well worth the price. Run Wolf Run is highly visual and very entertaining. Did I mention that this thing is HUGE!!! Size: 23" Wide x 12" Tall x 1 1/2" Thick
The wolf alone is 7 inches tall. AND Wolf's Magic sold their first run rather quickly. Just seeing Turbo bunny and Run Wolf Run side by side I would have to say that I am glad that I bought Run Wolf Run. The story lines that are possible with RWR are pretty much obvious. Turbo Bunny looks like it's just a rabbit going from end to end. What is the motivation?
It looks like a good prop, but it's something that I would not buy for myself.
You can tell that Chance is a Graphic Artist with the eye candy he packed in this prop. This is just my opinion. I am not trying to stir anything up at all.
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Hi there,

I own a Turbo Bunny, but not a RRR. I"ve discussed the same thinking with some very knowledgable kids performers and got the Turbo Bunny because of the much greater visual of approx 12" to very clearly see the bunny cross back and forth. For me, there is a million stories and patter that can be used, but the crux comes if in fact the kids can very clearly see the bunny going back and forth. For sure the discussion is NOT about Chance and the quality of his props. I own one myself and can vouch for the quality and workmanship.

All the best
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JoJo & Phillip,
I want to be clear in stating that I respect both of your opinions and have no problem with them. I just want to make a few things clear regarding RWR and any other prop for that matter.
I believe, that for the most part, the average "Children's Prop" has been designed for a typical "Living Room Party" or "Platform Setting" at best, including my Run Wolf Run. I think many magicians fool themselves believing that their props can be seen from the BACK ROW of a typical school assembly arena. That is why I design most of my props in a larger size to help in this matter. But even then, it is a push at times. I am just being honest here.
So decide for yourselves. Even though I still believe this will play to larger audiences, if you do smaller shows or platform venues, then I can GUARANTEE you my prop will deliver the goods from all aspects as well as be far more visually stimulating than most props which is very important, in my book, in getting the kids attention. Believe it or not...kids LOVE Cartoons and respond likewise. That is the entire point of my company. To design as props that look as good as they perform and command the attention from the kids as soon as you reveal them. So far, my philosophy has worked very well.
I want to CONFIRM that I think Kovari has an exceptional design and CLEARLY would be more visible than my RWR. So buy them up if you want as mine are sold out for now.
There is an old saying "Ya can't please them all". Those who make the choice to purchase my products seem to be over-pleased which is good enough for me Smile
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I'm still waiting for my RWR, but it shouldn't be long now.....the reason that I'd like to compare RWR with TURBO BUNNY has nothing to do with the graphics - Chance's prop LOOKS fantastic (and I love his props, so without seeing it for real, I still choose it over Turbo Bunny). Nor is it a visibility issue, no, the reason I'd like to compare them would be for the MECHANISM, since Turbo Bunny makes the movement of the rabbit very easy, with little or no obvious finger movement. Compare to my Run Dragon Run, which I have to manually slide across, or flick across. If I want to make the Dragon run slowly, there's nothing for it but to move my hand across beneath the dragon, a bit of a giveaway. Turbo bunny has one of the best mechanisms in a "Run" effect, but I know that Chance Wolf is also a mechanical genius. Turbo Bunny is a hand held prop as far as I remember, so there are bound to be differences.
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I own the RWR, but not the Kovari.
My 11 year old son assists me in every show, and sees a lot of magic by going to the magic shop in town, lectures, etc. The first time he saw this, he saidhere did this thing come from?, this is awesome." The graphics is THE reason I buy Wolf Magic items. One thing I love, about Wolf items, is most people will not spend the moeny on a n expensive prop.
If you really play up the fact to watch for the wolf, they will see it.
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On 2006-05-28 06:39, p.b.jones wrote:
Turbo Bunny looks pretty plain and unexciting and this is in contrast to the stunning graphics of the Run Wolf Run which was designed/drawn/built by a former cartoon artist

Hi,
I do not perform this effect ,However there is a thread going about this on a private forum of which I am a member , the genneral opinion there and these are all full time pros. is that the fancy artwork on the wolf version is its weakness. the plainess of turbo bunny and apparently great mechanism and easy to operate are its strenghts. I can see what these performers mean the wolf thing is great looking but way too busy and intricate. the crossing of the wolf can be easily missed and the vannish weak because of the frames size
Phillip


The "fancy" artwork is its weakness?! If this is the case then I couldn't disagree with the "full time pros" more. In this day and age of 4 second jump cuts the children of this generation can spot a Pokemon at a hundred paces. If the motivation is there they will spot it. My 4 year old son can spot dinosaurs that are 1" tall on cereal boxes at quite a distance. IMHO the Turbo Bunny lacks life and looks like something straight out of the 70s. You have to see/hold the RWR prop to appreciate it. Phillip you've indicated that you don't own either so you have to admit that it's a little difficult to judge a props visibility based upon a 3-4" computer screen image. I can't comment on the mechanism but I understand from Rogue Clown that the RWR is as smooth as silk.

I also agree with Mr. Lucky in that most people will shy away from Wolfs magic based solely on the price. Funny how everyone wants quality but not enough to pay for it.
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HI Chance,

I sure do understand what you're saying. I do own one of your props and am impressed with the workings and mechanics. (I do have one question about it that I will PM you about) I'm also fine with paying for what I want and the quality I'm getting. I've been to India and bought stuff there, and feel I can tell the difference in quality. This discussion is mainly about graphics and the viewable area of the "Rabbits or Wolves". That is all it is for me anyways.

All the best.
Al Kazam --> Magic guy in Perth Australia
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It seems odd to me that so many folks are questioning the visibility of the wolf in RWR. The graphics are SO cool, and the Wolf is SO clear to see, I don't understand the reservations. Turbo Bunny simply doesn't come close in appearance, but it is one of the best "Run" effects mechanically, the running rabbit looks very, very funny, and the mechanism is what sets Turbo Bunny apart from all other "Run" effects. Even "Run Dragon Run" LOOKS better than Turbo Bunny. So JoJo, if you think there may be a problem with the appearance of RWR, I'm frankly very surprised. For me, the prop looks 100%, and it's a guaranteed winner as it comes from Chance Wolf's workshop. How many "Run" effects have a cut-away so you can see the body of the running character?
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the genneral opinion there and these are all full time pros. is that the fancy artwork on the wolf version is its weakness.


WOW!! Maybe an eye exam is in order or people should buy the prop first before passing judgement. Sorry, but I gotta defend my prop. We tested this in our shop, which is over 70 FEET long and all actions were EASILY seen.
For the most part, I think MOST Run ____Run props do not play to a big audience with the EXCEPTION of KOVARI'S Turbo Bunny. He seemed to have stripped it right down to the basics. Not my cup of tea but good thinking and looks to be a GREAT PROP!!
Too each his own but I really encourage people to actually try a product, watch it live or read a working review before posting opinions on a props workability.
No offense taken, just stating my case Smile
Thanks
Chance
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Unfortunately, many of us do not have the luxery of being able to buy props that we won't use. When a product has a high price tag it comes under greater scrutiny from buyers who might be happy to risk $50 on a prop that could be a dud.

I own neither props so I can not offer any more then my uneducated opinion based on web images.

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It seems odd to me that so many folks are questioning the visibility of the wolf in RWR. The graphics are SO cool, and the Wolf is SO clear to see, I don't understand the reservations. Turbo Bunny simply doesn't come close in appearance, but it is one of the best "Run" effects mechanically, the running rabbit looks very, very funny, and the mechanism is what sets Turbo Bunny apart from all other "Run" effects. Even "Run Dragon Run" LOOKS better than Turbo Bunny. So JoJo, if you think there may be a problem with the appearance of RWR, I'm frankly very surprised. For me, the prop looks 100%, and it's a guaranteed winner as it comes from Chance Wolf's workshop. How many "Run" effects have a cut-away so you can see the body of the running character?


Because both the design of the wolf and the design of the houses is quite busy and because the wolf appears partly obscured by bushes in the image it creates the concern.


For me though, I think Run Rabbit products are high on fun but pretty weak on magic.
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On 2006-05-29 00:35, The Great Smartini wrote:
IMHO the Turbo Bunny lacks life and looks like something straight out of the 70s.


I don't know that the prop looks like something out of the 70's but the guy holding it does...in fact at first I thought - 'so that's what Barry Gibb is doing for a gig nowadays'.

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I also agree with Mr. Lucky in that most people will shy away from Wolfs magic based solely on the price. Funny how everyone wants quality but not enough to pay for it.

Hi,
You will also have people who buy it simply because it is expensive and they believe it makes them look good/ more succesful in front of other magicians .
Price is not an issue to me nor most of the pros on the private forum. I spend nearly $400 on a pair of jeans.


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Phillip you've indicated that you don't own either so you have to admit that it's a little difficult to judge a props visibility based upon a 3-4" computer screen image. I can't comment on the mechanism but I understand from Rogue Clown that the RWR is as smooth as silk.

Personaly I would not perform run rabbit run as I have discussed else where.

However, I do not need to buy something to see the advantages /disadvantages of the artwork. for me and many others there is way to much going on artwise on the wolf version. you may like it that's cool but not for me. the artwork is really great I agree! but does that ad or distract personlay I think it distracts.


imagine an completely empty stage if you ran from one side to the other everone would spot you even if they where not expecting you to run. now try it on a state of the art stage set with spectacular senery beautifuly painted with only a small open area I think if the idea is YOU WANT TO BE SPOTTED then the fist option is clearly the way to go
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I find it very hard to imagine any of the kids at my shows failing to see that Wolf! Geez, if I even have a tiny part of a prop showing when it shouldn't, they'll let me know. Kids have very sharp eyesight, and they don't miss a thing! It seems a lot of folks don't think that "Run" effects are very good - have you guys honestly worked out a good routine and tried it with 3 -5 year-olds? Magic? What magic? The prop is just great at getting the kids involved, who thinks you need a magical effect with a prop like this? Run Rabbit Run is one of the big classics of kids' magic, and for good reason. And has been mentioned on another thread, if you do want to add more magic to RWR, how about including an egg bag routine or "silk to egg" or similar?
PB, Jones, you're a lucky man, I only spend about $50 on jeans, that way I have plenty cash left to buy new props for my shows!
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PB, Jones, you're a lucky man, I only spend about $50 on jeans, that way I have plenty cash left to buy new props for my shows!

HI,
In truth I could replace my entire kids show tables cases and all for less than £400.00 and I have performed the same act for 20 years plus (some patter updates and bits n pieces changed /tweked along the way)

I don't realy need new props for my shows
Phillip
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P.B.Jones is right. A lot of people will try to look good, because it is expensive. If you do not know how to perform, it will not matter if it is $1 or $1000, you will still stink. The only difference I guess is you look better with an expensive item. But bad is bad, no question about it.
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P.B.Jones is right. A lot of people will try to look good, because it is expensive. If you do not know how to perform, it will not matter if it is $1 or $1000, you will still stink. The only difference I guess is you look better with an expensive item. But bad is bad, no question about it.
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