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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
When Hendrix first used the wah-wah most people hated it because it was too different. Today, it's one of the milder effects used in music. Even metal, goth, and punk are woven into the mainstream- songs that were once considered taboo are played at sporting events and in commercials.
Magic has always changed with society; where have you guys been?
POOF!
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Fashion is a strange thing. I was in prison once where I met a man who had been there for more than twenty five years. For him the world had stopped twenty five years before, fashion and everything, it was like meeting a man from the past. He was not just old fashioned, he was actually living in the past.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Does anyone remember when Elvis was edgy? How about the Beatles?
Point is every generation has its alleged revolution. Every generation thinks it is breaking down walls never before contemplated. We all claim this for some reason. (naturally mine was the only one which was right about this). I do get nervous about those of us so willing to abandon our past as beyond its time and no longer relevant. If we don't know where we have been, how are we supposed to know where we are going? Realistically we are all doing over 100 year old tricks with our spin on them. PERIOD. Lets at least admit that. Is there anything truley NEW under the sun? Doubtfull. So revolution? Isn't it still about entertaining the audience? If your audience is one who likes edgy and scary magic and goofy stunt man endurance tests, then go for it. I for one stick to a bit more traditional audiences. And there is no real lack of them.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2006-05-31 10:28, tommy wrote: Or at the workplace. Folks put on Fifties music. Sheesh! And one guy has a Firebird. It's like they get stuck in places, unable to enjoy the waves of novelty our mass media and artists offer. This summer CSNY are on tour again, as are Blondie and a re-formed The Cars with Todd Rundgren taking the lead.
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airship Inner circle In my day, I have driven 1594 Posts |
What was good about the old is still good. What is good about the new is good, too.
Those who think everything that is old is better, just because it is old, and everything that is new is bad, just because it is new, are wrong on both counts. Like Ted Sturgeon said, "90% of everything is crap." It's up to us to have the discernment and wisdom to sort it all out.
'The central secret of conjuring is a manipulation of interest.' - Henry Hay
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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
New, Old or in between suits me, but, sometimes a comfortable fit is more appealing.
POOF!
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RandyStewart Inner circle Texas (USA) 1989 Posts |
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On 2006-05-31 12:31, Dannydoyle wrote: Danny, I agree and hear you loud and clear sir. But trust me, you're opinion falls on several deaf ears. I personally enjoy the foolish tenacity of, well, a fool. Let 'em come to experience and agree with what you've just said in their own time. In the meantime, watching 'em trip, run into brick walls, over and over again, skin a knee a minute, all while warning of 'revolution' like never experienced before is a real blast. Goes especially well with a cold beer. Where'd my Beatles go now? "You say you want a revolution Well, you know"... |
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George Ledo Magic Café Columnist SF Bay Area 3042 Posts |
Oh, I don't know that I would use the word "fool" here. Most of us did weird things when we were younger and high-strung and wanting to take the world by storm. I remember when I was doing my cards-and-doves act at around nineteen, and looking forward to coming up with something so different and so exciting that it would leave other magicians in the dust.
Nowadays, when I'm at a theatre and I see some of the younger techies "being" young techies, sometimes I wander over, chuckle, and tell them they remind me of me when I was their age. Funny how I continue to get away with it... Back in the late 80's, I was putting together an act integrating magic with tap and cabaret dancing. Not "dancing while doing tricks," but making the effects and the dance fit together very tightly, one effect flowing seamlessly into another. Okay, so that didn't fit a "fundamentalist" definition of magic, but what did I care? My goal was to make money as an entertainer in upscale venues catering to the general public. Anyway, I was taking dance lessons three or four nights a week, I was spending hours watching old Fred Astaire et al movies, and I had a video camera set up for rehearsing and choreographing. I even commissioned a piece of music and designed an up-to-date outfit to wear. Then I took the old standard effects I wanted to do and pushed them in different directions. My dancing cane would tap dance right along with me before vanishing. A billiard ball would change color in the air as it passed through a shower of glitter. Blah blah blah. Was this revolutionary? Or better yet, was my thinking revolutionary? Nah. Evolutionary, yes, and a heck of a lot of fun. But not revolutionary. But then again, when someone's purpose is to sell a product instead of using it, the term "revolutionary" is much better for marketing than the term "evolutionary." That's why shampoo bottles read "New and improved!" instead of "The same old stuff." Like Randy said, thinking about it goes well with a cold beer.
That's our departed buddy Burt, aka The Great Burtini, doing his famous Cups and Mice routine
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
You will know when a revolution happens.
Your habits will not suit your audience and they will look at you as if you were a mime sining opera on the street. You will know when doing something new that works. It feels like working in a vacuum, no feedback from peers makes sense yet audiences like what you are doing. The books won't be of much help and your sources will be from outside of magicdom. No comment about media-hyped "revolution du-jour" beyond a suggestion to explore the lyrics to that Beatles song and perhaps the plot of the movie "Josie and the Pussycats". Or perhaps read some Philip K Dick stories.
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kregg Inner circle 1950 Posts |
Zap Gun for hire!
POOF!
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Lee Darrow V.I.P. Chicago, IL USA 3588 Posts |
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On 2006-05-30 09:19, Jonathan Townsend wrote: How about they take a course in diction, first? If the audience cannot understand the words coming out of their mouths, then they will not be understood. It's that simple. That's why a company that does a lot of radio called itself "Clear Speech Radio," because of the implication that a listener could acutally understand the words coming out of their radio! Now, please understand that I have no problem with someone doing a character who does an accent or a dialect, but note that even professional actors who do such things hire dialect coaches so that when they do such roles they are STILL understandable to the audience! If the audience has to strain their brains to understand the words coming at them from the stage because of poor pronunciation, then something is seriously wrong and needs to be addressed. And far too many magicians that I have seen over the years have that exact problem! Tonality is all well and fine, but enunciation and diction are at least as important, if not more so, because without them, the actual words being spoken will be lost to the audience. Or, like my music beginning teachers used to say - "Hit the note, THEN worry about the dynamics once you know that you can hit it accurately!" While this does not apply beyond the very basic stages of music, it applies throughout all the stages of speech. You MUST be understood - the words spoken in a manner that is clear enough for the audience to understand what you are saying - before you start to work on concepts like tonality, intonation, placement, and cadences. Respectfully, Lee Darrow, C.H.
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Drs_Res Veteran user 325 Posts |
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On 2006-06-01 21:33, Lee Darrow wrote: Lee, Are you referring to "Clear Channel Communications, Inc."? which means it was designated with its own frequency nationwide, nothing about the hosts diction. Or was Clear Channel called Clear Speech in a prior incarnation? Or a different company altogether? It's a serious question, I'm curious.
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