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Platt
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This has to be the smoothest display of coin magic I've ever seen. I hadn't watched this tape in years- Coin Magic Made Easy Vol. 2, so I checked it out again.

I mean, as magicians, we know these moves yet watching it again I was badly fooled. It's just perfectly executed smooth move after smooth move. It look incredible. Flawless. I know David looks good with almost any routine but this one is above and beyond.

However on this same tape he does an effect where coins change color and are dropped off into a cup. The only problem is the cup is right under the spectator's nose, yet technically you can't have her look down into the cup. What was up with that?
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Jacob Smith
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I think that coin through table effect is in Modern Coin Magic and was created by either Buckley or Baker,but I'm not totally shure.
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Platt, If I remember correctly all the attention is on what's happening in the magician's hands, not the cup. The cup is just a place for the coins, after the magic is done with them (or supposed to be done with them anyway). I think the only draw back to this routine (if you want to call it that?) is changing the coins back.

Check out Curtis Kam's "Framed Wild Pocket" routine from "Deceptions in Paradise" (book or VHS), where as the coins change they are put in the pocket, because the magic IS done with them.

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I have the Roth tapes and I have to say that I find the routines somewhat impractical. It requires almost perfect conditions - seated, table at the right height, compliant specs, etc. I loved the Wild Coins routine, but know full well that the first thing anyone would do is lean over and look into the cup.
However what I do admire about Roth is the grace and timing of his movements. The flow of his movements is just superb - he really is a pleasure to watch. For those who go on and on about books over video/dvd, that is one aspect that you will never learn from Bobo's MCM.
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I'll have to agree with Joe about not liking the coins to change back at the end. I believe Daivd built his routine like that because the coins changing at the end is a surprise, plus to show us magicians about routining and other possibilities with just one extra coin. I personally do not like the change back at the end because through the whole routine you are doing these elegant, magical changes and at the end they all change back via a cup. I think some spectators would say, "If you are going to change them at the end with a cup, then why not do it that way in the beginning?" However, I like the routine. Cheers,

Bill
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The routining of wild coin with a cup allows you to use a minimum amount of coins to create an extrodinary effect. Obviously, use of the cup requires a bit of distance from your audience, but David has solved that by also using a purse (see his book, and I believe it is also in Coinmagic). I use both of those ideas in my own versions. There are other versions where you can end with three changed coins on the table, but that requires a bit more effort. Here you get a lovely effect not beyond the reach of the average coin worker.
When one talkes about David's magic, discussion tends to lead to working seating at a table. I know that this has fallen out of favor over the past 20 yrs, due to the bigger flexibility of working standing up, especially in professional performing situations (parties, restaurants, etc). Whenever this is discussed, I point out that there is a time and place for everything. Many sitdown effects can be adapted to stand up situations by changing some of the moves, and even for those who work stand up, are worth study. However, I will always argue that there is a definite place in magic for sitdown magic. Especially at the dinner table with friends. Coins Through the Table is one such effect that stands the test of time, and is one of the most magical effects out there (IMHO). I have a stand up version on my lecture DVD and in my show, but to be honest, I get more milage out of my own sitdown version (as I suspect most people do). David presents a practical, wonderful handling, which is in itself a lesson in lapping. Wildcoin, and Coins Through the Table will both be covered at our Seminar next week.
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I don't have the video but the routine Platt mentioned may be Roth's "Wild Coin No. 1" which can be found in 'Coinmagic'. Amazing choreography as are many of his routines.

"Wild Coin No. 2", also 'Coinmagic', uses a purse and is more direct than the above.
The beauty of No. 2 is that it can be done w/o the purse and standing with some modifications.
In brief, three coins begin in LH fan.
RH takes one and changes when tossed to LH.
Coin two is taken by the RH and with a wave it changes and is tossed to the LH.
The third coin remains at the RH fingertips and when rubbed with the RH fingertips it too changes and is allowed to fall into the LH.
I present this as an illusion and the coins do return to the original.

If I want a more 'open' wild coin routine where the coins stay changed, Roth's "Wild Coin on Edge" from the 'Expert Coin Magic' book works.
Larry Barnowsky
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David Roth is so smooth when he does that routine.
The "Wild Coin" type routines I do are always done standing. There's one in my book called "Lucky Chinese Coin" which uses one C/S dollar size coin coin and a coffee cup. It's my favorite.
I also do an ungaffed version with 4 silver dollars and 1 Chinese coin and a coffee cup that uses a number of original sleights from my book and a coin switch that I left out of the book (because no routine used it). This might just appear in my new book which is about 25% completed.
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The Sawa Banknight routine, (on same lecture tape) is also well worth exploring.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
Jacob Smith
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I love Sawa banknight that is I think the best variation ive ever seen to a banknight effect.i like how Roth has patter for all of his moves and the sheer perfect routine after routine that fit togather perfectly.i hope to someday be able to be on Mr.Roth's level of perfesionalism.
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Platt, have you ever tried performing a wild coin effect up close with a cup? I have...and while not my prefered method...it's quite effective. Yes, they can see in the cup...but not down to the bottom! This is one of the bits that makes it so deceptive...the fact that they can see partly into the cup...they are convinced, it adds a certain fairness to the deception. And as far as wanting to grap the cup...well, they will if you make a big production out of tossing the coin into the cup!!! It's all about attitude at this point...the cup is merely a receptical to get rid of the coins that just change...all you should be doing is getting rid of the coin so you can change your next coin. All you should be doing is "taking" the coin and tossing it into the cup...NOT..."LOOK, THIS COIN HAS CHANGED...WATCH AS I TOSS IT INTO THE CUP"...

Mike
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I have seen many routines coins thru the table. but for me I say mickey Silvers signed coin thru the table is the most visual I have ever seen to date .
Mickey performed this at the Magic Castle and as the signed coin passed thru the table it hit another magician in the ankle......ther was disbelief.....
However most will never see this ,Mickey has yet to publish any of his material that I know of , so really what is the point of even talking about this effect .
Only because I have been and will always be Mickeys biggest supporters in magic/.< but I do not support what has trasnspired over the last few years..
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Hi,

David ROTH's work is unique. Of course a lot of lapping movement, espacialy in his wild coin routine and coin, glass and purse routien

I remember the first 2 books my teacher offer me, it was "The Magic of Slydini" and the "DAI VERNON book of Magic".

And I tried to work the Slydini's coin routine in order to practice misdirection and lapping.

Now it is a tool, I try to work coin routine without any lap, in order to be stand up, but when I perform sitted at a table, I can lap and sometimes, I can fool magicians who had forgotten misdirection and lapping.
Platt
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On 2006-06-04 22:25, mike gallo wrote:
Platt, have you ever tried performing a wild coin effect up close with a cup? I have...and while not my prefered method...it's quite effective. Yes, they can see in the cup...but not down to the bottom! This is one of the bits that makes it so deceptive...the fact that they can see partly into the cup...they are convinced, it adds a certain fairness to the deception. And as far as wanting to grap the cup...well, they will if you make a big production out of tossing the coin into the cup!!! It's all about attitude at this point...the cup is merely a receptical to get rid of the coins that just change...all you should be doing is getting rid of the coin so you can change your next coin. All you should be doing is "taking" the coin and tossing it into the cup...NOT..."LOOK, THIS COIN HAS CHANGED...WATCH AS I TOSS IT INTO THE CUP"...

Mike


No Michael, I've never performed Wild Coin. That's intersesting that the spec. can see into the cup but not to the bottom. Very nice touch. It seemed watching the tape that Monica could see right into the cup but apparently not. I just met David today at Fantasma. What a gracious guy. He was kind enough to look at some of my magic offerings and provide me with a very positive quote for my DVD. I also got to watch him perform. Even when selling something as basic as a Svengali deck he looks great. Smooth, smooth, smooth.
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