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jolyonjenkins
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Thinking about the Pat Page post below - I wondered whether there has been anything fundamentally new in rope magic in the past few decades, or is it just recyling and re-packaging of old moves and principles?
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You got it, just the old 50 year old stuff in a new package by someone that has re-arranged someone elses thinking.
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I attended a lecture of Pavel recently. Seemed mighty original to me. His Walking Knot is a mainstay in my repertoire.
Of course as a 40 year old I can not comment on 50 years of rope-history.
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I've tried to read as much on ropework as I have time for, and it seems to me that much is just "recycling", but so what?
Magicians are always always looking for that "next new thing", instead of looking for that "next new presentation", and creating it if it is not there.
There's occasionally something new and stunning, (Pavel, or Sanders), but you can read Abbots, look at Darryl's Videos, Fulve's "Self-Working Rope Magic", Pavel, Sanders etc etc, and see a nice slow progression around the same sort of moves.
It's only when you take e.g. Whit Haydn's presentation skills that the "great magic" happens, IMHO anyway.
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Yes gentlemen there is nothing new in rope magic, it is all misdirection, but no one ever used misdirection quite the way Richard Sanders does. When I do "fiber optics" there really isn't any thing new except the optical illusion that occurs when you bunch the moves togther to the point where the audience looses their perspective. I did it for a group of elementry school kids last week, and much to my surprise they were cheering, and claping all through the routine to the point where it shocked me.
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Exactly, Al....Look at the flood of dvd's lately...Every performer is doing his take on an old effect, so it's not just rope magic, but all types.....
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Hello:

I agree with Dan concerning Pavel - seems his creative mind is constantly coming up with new effects with rope. Those who doubt this can go to his website or purchase one of his demo DVDs to see that he has remarkable and new effects with rope.

I use his Krazy Knot in every show.

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I do "krazy knot" with the big finish every show too. The finish really catches them by surprise.
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On 2006-06-11 09:16, Al Angello wrote:
Yes gentlemen there is nothing new in rope magic, it is all misdirection, but no one ever used misdirection quite the way Richard Sanders does. When I do "fiber optics" there really isn't any thing new except the optical illusion that occurs when you bunch the moves togther to the point where the audience looses their perspective. I did it for a group of elementry school kids last week, and much to my surprise they were cheering, and claping all through the routine to the point where it shocked me.
THANKS RICHARD
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Al - did you do Fiber Optics just as Sanders does (without the slide)?
And do you use any kind of story line or just the Sanders minimal patter?

I would really like to see someone do this in front of an audience. I did it a couple of weeks ago for a group of adults and children (5-10). The adults were impressed and amused but I don't think they were badly fooled because in the end it's obvious that you have an extra piece of rope. There was also a kind of "why are you doing this?" feel. I went at about the same speed as Sanders. I don't know whether some kind of story line would have helped - it would have made more sense but also have given the audience more time to reconstruct the moves.

The children were slightly spooked I think but strangely hostile. They accused me of "showing off". They didn't understand how, but they didn't understand why either. Whereas they love professor's nightmare if done as a story about polar bears.
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I hate the sliding knot, as it gives it away - I think it's so much better without it. I use patter about "what it must be like to be a piece of magi's rope, magic changing your length etc. and how you can "get back" at him/her by making your ends fall off etc.
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Thanks. I was thinking of a kind of "I went to the magic shop to buy some rope ... the man said 'you'll be wanting the sort that changes length'? No, I said. In that case you'll want the stuff you can cut and stick back together"? No, I said, just ordinary magical rope. 'Well, be careful of the cheap stuff, the ends switch places' etc"
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I do "full circle" which gives the trick a strong story line. I have added 8 "fiber optics' moves to dress it up, which make it my own (I havent tried the slide yet). The kids applauded at every fiber optic move, but full circle officially is the routine I do, and I am absolutely thrilled with the response I'm getting from people of all ages.
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Talking about old rope routines:

Where can I find documentation on the rope trick Doug Henning did on the "Tonight Show?"

It's the one where he had a long rope. Johnny and Ed held each end. Doug "cut" the rope and tied the ends together. He then slid the knot to one end, and then untied the rope to show that the cut moved from one end to the other.

I pretty much know what he did, I'm just looking for some history behind it.

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That trick is called Pavel's "super walking knot" and for $240. it can be yours.
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I've seen Pavel perform his walking knot and I don't think this was it. Unless you can have someone genuinely examine and tug on the rope first.

There was a subtle "move" that Doug did, plus having the right kind of knife helped to deliver the "gimmick." He then visibly "slid" the knot from one side to the other where thanks to the "move" he was able to untie the rope as if that's where it was cut in the first place.

I can do the entire thing with an ungimmicked rope. I'm just looking for documentation.

Does any of this sound more familiar? PM me if you want more.
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After Henning peformed on the Tonight Show...I was looking frantically for this trick and found I beleive what was advertised as the same it was " Knot Unexpected " for sale at in the Tannens flyer. I purchased it and was really disappointed at the gimmick I recieved..now the routine was put together nicely..However the gimmick was a joke especially with rope supplied.
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Right, Mike.....See it HERE ...
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Dave V
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That seems to be the one I was looking for, thanks! Not sure I'm ready to spend $42 for the knife though. I wonder if Steinmeyer ever wrote it up somewhere where I don't have to buy the knife. Scissors I can justify. Not sure I want to risk a knife (even if it's fake) on the streets, let alone in my luggage through airports.
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Dave,

Airports are a hassle. But you can over-night it to your next hotel / motel.

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Hello:

I'm pretty sure it's in "Device and Illusion" by Steinmeyer.

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