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AntonDreaming Special user Gloucester by the sea 622 Posts |
What are the general rules about playing with fire in public, Juggling etc. Where can the laws and regulations be looked up? Any info would be appreciated.
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Kozmo V.I.P. 5473 Posts |
Most people in power feel that fire is dangerous! and I think that you will find that there is about no where in the US that you can use it....do not pass go kind of thing...not that I know anything...
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Professor Piper Special user Somewhere, out there... 770 Posts |
Not to contridict tedb, BUT:
There are no 'black and white' answers here...You MUST investigate the individual regulations in your SPECIFIC area...Laws on this differ from town to town, county to county, state to state... If in doubt, call your local fire-marshal...Some areas require a permit, if they do, then GET THE PERMIT... If fire-performance is not allowed (thanks a LOT WhiteSnake), then DON'T break the law! It's up to US, the performers, to make sure that fire performances aren't blanket-banned...That would be a crying freaking shame and cost us ALL revenue... Check the laws where you wish to perform, follow the law, stay safe, and break a leg! Prof. Piper, a self admitted fire freak.
"Nemo has been found! He was on an Admiral's Platter at Red Lobster!"
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Kozmo V.I.P. 5473 Posts |
I think that as you proceed through the world of street performing you will find that you can use fire rarely...most towns will have some kind of ordanance against it...there will be times when you can use it but be prepared to not be able to...sometimes when you workl a festival you may be able to use it
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BAH1313 Elite user Ohio 445 Posts |
I agree with Koz on this one. He should know. Flexibility pays the bills.
If you're gonna check, check with the local fire brigade/ fire marshall. They'll tell what you can and cannot do. And how much it'll cost ya if there are permits.
I am truly blessed to have a job where people are laughing all the time and everyone believes in magic....Come to think of it, I'm blessed to even have a job.
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Kozmo V.I.P. 5473 Posts |
Seems to me that its just not worth the time...do soemthing else?....but hey, what do I know...nuttin, just ask my wife
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Lee Darrow V.I.P. Chicago, IL USA 3588 Posts |
The rule on fire is simple - No matter where you are - ASK the Fire Marshall and DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD TO DO.
It's that simple. And that can be pretty complex. To cover yourself, you will undoubtedly need insurance that covers accidents and that means insurance for pyrotechnics, usually. Talk to a Licensed Property and Casualty and Liability specialist on that. Make sure that your insurance covers you for EVERY kind of venue that you will be performing in - insurance companies LOVE to play games with coverage for certain kinds of venues - like covering you if the place has a sprinkler system and not covering you if they don't - things like that - so READ THE FINE PRINT!!! And ASK questions - like where can you and can't you perform - what states is the coverage good for. How can you get copies of the insurance binder for the venue to show to the Fire Marshalls (they usually want copies for their files) and all of that fun stuff. Ask bout surety bonds as well if you are using anything that is more than just flammable, like pyrotechnical goodies - fireworks. Using those usually requires special licenses that you have to get from the feds - and special insurance binders and bonds as well. Just some additional problems for working with fire. See the forum that applies to that for more details. Lee Darrow, C.H.
http://www.leedarrow.com
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Professor Piper Special user Somewhere, out there... 770 Posts |
Once again, very wise words Lee...We seem to think alike.
I've been performing Fire for 10+ years...It's a MAJOR hassle, but to me worth it...I've had venues flatly turn it down; I've had them put major restrictions on me; and I've had them not care one whit about it... It all depends on the venue and the laws in the state/county/city you are performing in... And as Lee says: NEVER assume anything! Ask, research, and ABIDE by the LAW! Prof. Piper
"Nemo has been found! He was on an Admiral's Platter at Red Lobster!"
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
This being Rhode Island where we are still recovering from The Station nightclub fire, I can safely say fire is out! Especially on the street where you'd have less control over the situation. (You may feel otherwise, but I doubt the RI Fire Marshall will agree.)
Waterfire is as far as we get now.
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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Kozmo V.I.P. 5473 Posts |
My only word of advice here is to be prepared to not be able to this...cause tis going to happen...big pitches are hard to find and many chase them for a life time....so if you have even more restrictions because of fire then its going to be even tougher
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
If I'm not mistaken, some of the northern states, such as Michigan or Wisconsin, require a pyrotechnician's license to even work with flame.
"The Swatter"
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gsidhe Inner circle Michigan 1725 Posts |
Actually,that is not the case in Michigan...I perform fire here all of the time. Pyro liscense is not required, but there are burn permits you might need in certain venues. As stated above...Check with your local fire marshall, get to be their friend and be prepared to demonstrate your act as well as the safety percautions you have in place. If you are not sure what safety percautions to have, go to bearclawmfg.com and have a look at their safety guidelines. Print them out. Take them with you. Make sure that you have all of the areas they describe covered BEFORE you talk to the fire marshall. They will appreciate that you did your homework.
Remember...These guys actually LOVE fire. It is why they do what they do. They just like to see it done safely. Then after you talk to them, do what they say. It is that simple. Yes it is getting harder to perform fire accross the board, but that is no reason to give it up as an art form. It is valid and beautiful and a part of culture that I would hate to see abandoned. Just learn to do it legally, and do it right. Gwyd (And yes...Go to the fire specializing forum on these boards...A lot of good advice there!) |
Professor Piper Special user Somewhere, out there... 770 Posts |
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On 2006-07-01 23:20, gsidhe wrote: Great post Gwyd! Nice to see another Pyro who wants to keep it alive, doing it right! Keep the fires burning, LEGALLY! Prof. Piper
"Nemo has been found! He was on an Admiral's Platter at Red Lobster!"
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
There was a big rash of changes in fire laws all across the US about 15 years ago. There were some articles in MUM about the various changes. Texas adopted some rather draconian ones. The loophole was that all of them were enforce by local fire marshalls.
Many of the juggling acts at the Texas Renaissance Festival use fire. They get around it by being "permitted" by the mayor--who just happens to own the festival.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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