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Cory wrote:"Yes, I remember when I finally got the knack of the muscle pass. And I was very happy. It took months of very hard practice, but it was worth it. I don't use it much, because there is another magician in town that uses it. It is kinda like one of his signature pieces. So I don't want to take that away from him, and put it in any of my shows. But I will occassionally show it to friends and family. Just small groups that know me personally. But otherwise, I leave that effect to Patrick."

Cory my friend,herein lies one of your problems.I say this with respect to the fact that you are a young man who really want's something,but is unable to get it, and seemingly will not do what is necessary to get it.I am not going to repeat myself.Go back and read all the great info from the guy's who have been doing this for a living.

The Microwave Kids(thanks Danny),if they want to get a gig at a young age MUST stop concentrating 'only' on TRICK'S AND MOVE'S,MOVE'S AND TRICKS,AND OTHER COOL STUFF,and start learning about PEOPLE and BUSINESS.

Getting back to your 'Muscle Pass'.That is NOT an effect! It is a means to an end.It is supposed to be invisible!It doesn't belong to anybody.It is not something that you go around showing folk's ..Hey look what I can do ..I worked months on this.(I just know you will have an explanation for this too)( and don't try and tell me about JC's "the coin that falls up" Smile)

Cory,my best advice is,practice your magic,learn about what it takes to REALLY entertain people,keep up your studies,and for gods sake enjoy your teenage years..you only get one shot at them!
Don't refer to yourself as a Magician(Magical Entertainer is much better)(Doogie Howser was only a fictional TV show)..letting others call you a Magician is fine.Above all take peoples wonderful comments about your performance with a grain of salt..In other words.."DON'T BELIEVE YOUR OWN PRESS"..Doc Eason

Good luck.
Rich
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Corey maybe you will learn that it is not really the magic that entertains people. It certianly isn't the muscle pass that entertains people. It is YOU.

So if you do birthday parties, then you learn to entertain people. Maybe you should concentrate on learning to entertain, and not concentrate so much on what it is YOU want.

Sound familiar? Yea I have repeated myself. Your being selfish here with no call to be. Your worrying about YOU getting a gig, not how to entertain those forced to watch you during one.

Well happy hunting.
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I don't know if it was mentioned earlier but hospitals and convelescent homes are great places to practice interaction with people. So is being able to perform a street show or just for people that are walking around town, maybe a mall or something. People are people and it doesn't matter if they are in a restaurant or at a birthday party.
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On 2006-07-13 18:59, Leeman wrote:
I don't know if it was mentioned earlier but hospitals and convelescent homes are great places to practice interaction with people. So is being able to perform a street show or just for people that are walking around town, maybe a mall or something. People are people and it doesn't matter if they are in a restaurant or at a birthday party.


yes, I know what you mean. People are people. And by performing for them, I get experience performing for actual people. But my question was: how is doing stand up shows going to get me ready for a restaurant experience?

And DannyDoyle, Like I said, I don't really do the muscle pass, I leave that to the other guy in town, who does it with great sucsess. But, what I don't understand is about what you are talking about with the whole "Muscle passes aren't suppose to be seen" thing. I don't know much about the move, but I always thought that it was something that was supposed to be something visual. Not a move that is to be unseen. I know you can use it to do a vanish, transposition, etc, but I thought it was supposed to be visual. Anyway, that's just what I thought, I'd be very interested to see any information you guys may haave about the origin of the muscle pass, and how it was intended to be used. I ofcourse don't go up to my friends and say, "Look at this, I have been working to be able to make a coin fall up by doing this..." I make it look magicle. And I have really made people wonder. But, like I said, I leave that effetc up to Patrick, so I don't know a whole lot about it, nor do I really do it.
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Oh, and speaking of performing in hospitals, my mom and I are getting something together soon. Now, I know that my mom being in this sounds immature, but this is the deal. My mom had already wanted to volunteer in hospitals. And when we went to the IBM convention in Miami, she met up with Kevin Spencer, and learned about his "Helaing of Magic" program. This was her calling. Her son, (Me) already has some experience in this, and she has some experience in working in hospitals, (She used to work in We Care) so it is the perfect team. We should be starting this up soon. So, that is a start.

And DannyDoyle, I know that tricks don't entertain. Well, I will be posting about that here soon, I have some food for thought on the whole Tricks and Presentation thing. But that will be later. But I don't just do "tricks" like david Blaine does. He "turns on" his "performance" and doesn't stop. "Look, watch, watch this, look, this is cool" etc. that's why I don't care for him. It doesn't matter what the audience says, he just keeps going. He doesn't listen to them, he doesn't talk to them, he doesn't connect with them, there is no patter, nor presentation, he just does "tricks". But, they are still amazed, and that is what my future topic will be about.
But, I entertain, connect, actually use patter. I still need to perfect myself, and become a polished performer. don't get me wrong, I have a LONG way to go. But I am getting there. Slowly, but surely. I HAVE been performing for people. At the moment, I perform for people doing perfected routines more than I practice. (But that is going to change soon, as I am fixing my shows) But, I still need to get more comfortable when it comes to performing for people. Most times, I am very confortable. But some times, I can get nervous. (I most often get nervous in front of magicians.) And that's why I will need to do more performances.
Anyway, I got some stuff to do. Talk to you later!
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On 2006-07-14 11:19, Cory Gallupe wrote:

But I don't just do "tricks" like David Blaine does. He "turns on" his "performance" and doesn't stop. "Look, watch, watch this, look, this is cool" etc. that's why I don't care for him. It doesn't matter what the audience says, he just keeps going. He doesn't listen to them, he doesn't talk to them, he doesn't connect with them, there is no patter, nor presentation, he just does "tricks".


I disagree. Although I'd hate for this thread to erupt into a DB discussion, I have to say that joining the bandwagon of dislike to David Blaine for those reasons is in my opinion, foolish. David's persona isn't one to patter. He has made it obvious that he is this mysterious character whose image and magic speaks for itself. Those words,'look' & 'watch' are what works for him as a performer. As you said in your post, it has everything to do with the performer and little to do with the tricks. Some of the performances you feel most connected to are patterless. It's the performance; the idea planted within the spectator that makes it happen. Its that connection.

To say that David Blaine does not connect with his audience is a ridiculous statement. Connection to an audience varies along with the performer. I would venture a guess that audiences feel more entertained by and connected to David Blaine than most magicians. Why? Because he can make that performer's connection. I think you should think before you speak on that one because it seems like an uneducated decision. After all, he made the front cover of TIME Magazine with the headline "The man who fell to Earth." Someone was impressed.

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Ben let me just say how shocked I am to be agreeing completly with you my friend.

It is a pleasure let me say.

Your right about Blaine. I don't happen to enjoy the personality he comes in with. His style dosn't really appeal to me. But as you pointed out it is "his" style. He does indeed connect and entertain his audience.

I think Cory needs to judge less and learn more. At your age friend, you can't sit in judgement of others.

Your fighting things that you shouldn't be. Instead of listening making excuses. A bad habit to get into.

Posted: Jul 14, 2006 12:36pm
And Ben your right on with that Respect thing.
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On 2006-07-14 12:34, Dannydoyle wrote:

At your age friend, you can't sit in judgement of others.



A good idea for people of all ages.
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But I don't just do "tricks" like David Blaine does. He "turns on" his "performance" and doesn't stop. "Look, watch, watch this, look, this is cool" etc. that's why I don't care for him. It doesn't matter what the audience says, he just keeps going. He doesn't listen to them, he doesn't talk to them, he doesn't connect with them, there is no patter, nor presentation, he just does "tricks".


I disagree. Although I'd hate for this thread to erupt into a DB discussion, I have to say that joining the bandwagon of dislike to David Blaine for those reasons is in my opinion, foolish. David's persona isn't one to patter. He has made it obvious that he is this mysterious character whose image and magic speaks for itself. Those words,'look' & 'watch' are what works for him as a performer. As you said in your post, it has everything to do with the performer and little to do with the tricks. Some of the performances you feel most connected to are patterless. It's the performance; the idea planted within the spectator that makes it happen. Its that connection.

To say that David Blaine does not connect with his audience is a ridiculous statement. Connection to an audience varies along with the performer. I would venture a guess that audiences feel more entertained by and connected to David Blaine than most magicians. Why? Because he can make that performer's connection. I think you should think before you speak on that one because it seems like an uneducated decision. After all, he made the front cover of TIME Magazine with the headline "The man who fell to Earth." Someone was impressed.

“Men are respectable only as they respect.”
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Ben, that's a good point. That is one of the many reasons I am going to make that post in the future about magic and performance. I PERSONALLY don't like his character, but that is what I will be talking about in that topic, that just because he doesn't do what MOST magicians do, doesn't mean he doesn't astound people, becuase he definatley does. So, that is mostly what that topic will be covering. Because I am like a teeder todder when it comes to Blaine. It's not the way I do things, and I don't care for his character, but its what works for him, and people certainly like it. So stay tuned for the topic about this.
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Tom nobody is sitting in judgement of his skills. Only helping him with his obvious age issues.

Nobody said he isn't a talented magician did they? Except the one who has seen him?

Judgement can really come in handy at times. No matter what political correct society tells us. Those who have been where we want to be are pretty good judges of what it takes to get there.
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On 2006-07-13 18:03, Cory Gallupe wrote:
6 years of this, I don't think I'm gonna quit yet. I know it takes hard work, and it has been, but I'll keep doing this hard work, and hopefully, someday, years from now, in a galexy far far away, it will be worth all the work I have spent what feels like most of my life working on. As a matter of fact, it has actually been about half of my life to be exact. But anyway, I sure hope it pays off eventually.


If you don't think it has been enjoyable repeating the things again, if you think the preps you do for performance is tedious and boring and gets in your face, then there probably won't be a day when everything gets back and you and satisfy you.

When I mentioned the muscle pass, I was more or less thinking along the lines of "Do you have that smile because you've ENJOYED that PRACTICE you've put in? Not Do you enjoy finally being able to show off to other people".

It always feel like I started practicing magic yesterday. If you think its gruelling work, maybe its time to find something you actually enjoy practicing?.

Just some food for thought. Ask Dannydoyle, Ben, PaleoMagi or any other respectable pro magicians if they actually enjoy practicing. I can't speak for them, but the reason why I am satisfied with my performance is because I actually enjoy practicing. Same goes with pretty much anything.
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Yea I don't mind practice too much. I hate the selling aspect of the business but the practice and rehersal and putting shows together blocking and yada yada I really enjoy.
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Hey guys,


Man, there is so much negativity in this topic. To me it looks like the older magicians are simply putting down Cory and in turn any young magicians. I think that badgering him for "not being experienced enough" because he is 15 is foolish. I believe that his ambition to work in restaurants at this early age is putting him ahead of the game. Instead of telling thim that he wont be able to do it, tell him what he asked for about 100 posts ago.

Let him decide whether he is ready or not, not other magicians.

Anyway,
How to approach a manager:

-Most importantly, you want to have a very positive attitude. You cant doubt yourself at this point. If you do, practice for MORE PEOPLE. An easy way to get more experience with people is going to a food court in a mall and performing for people there. don't ask for tips because it then turns into soliciting.
-Make sure to tell him/her when and where you will be performing.
-and in general just KNOW what you want. don't be hesitant because it shows that you are unprepared. You need to be confident and also be prepared to be turned down.

Most importantly, Just do it. don't listen to other people's doubts. If you truly, honestly believe you are ready, then you are ready.

Good luck!
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Esteban, I think if you read the whle thread, you'd know that Cory has all the answers that he needs. "We" weren't basing "our" judgement on how old Cory was (I'm sorry if my impression is wrong for some of the posts up there) but it was rather based on his replies. If it was just age thing, people like Ben would also be counted as immature. Did you see any posts like that? I didn't.

Btw, I said a lot of negative thing too. And just to let you know, I'm not even old enough to marry without my parent's signature. So... just telling you that its not age-thing.
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Age or maturity? That is the question.

We have LOTS of guys with many many moons behind them who havn't the faintest clue how to perform in front of an audience.

It is his responses to corrrect information that give us the indication of what it is he is capable of. Even his first post helps.

Don't tell me that simply because we never met him, does not mean we can't get an indication of what he can or can't do from his writing. It is simply not true. You can tell A LOT about a persons ability by their ideas on how to work.

For example if they say " I wear a huge sign that says tip me or I won't work" you have a pretty good idea about them as a person and as a performer. This is an extreme, but it works in the less extreme cases too. To deny it is to be blind.
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Ok, I thank everybody for the help, but I wont do restaurants, ok? I'll just sit and practice for hours and hours in front of a mirror, and pretend I'm a pro. That sounds good. Hey, if I'm lucky, maybe I should flip burgers at McDonalds...
Wow, I think Im getting somewhere.
But I will stop. Thank you, and good day.
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I agree with your point Danny on how you can get an indication of what someone is capable of by their responses and attitude to helpful information but I believe that the best way for Cory to learn would be for him to go out and try it for himself. After all, some of the best lessons you learn are through trial and error.
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I agree with your point Danny on how you can get an indication of what someone is capable of by their responses and attitude to helpful information but I believe that the best way for Cory to learn would be for him to go out and try it for himself. After all, some of the best lessons you learn are through trial and error.




Thank you. that's what I thought would work too. Do a small restaurant, for almost no money, and get not only people experience, but restaurant experience as well. And where there is little money involved, we have almost nothing to loose, (Unless if something goes terribly wrong, which I doubt. I do have SOME people experience you know...) But in reality, we would have nothing to loose, and everything to gain. But, that's just what I THOUGHT would be a good idea. And a good point with the trial and error thing. that's how we learn. that's why I am confused. People say, that if I want to start doing restaurants, to do birthday parties, corporate events, adult parties, etc. But, I don't see what stand up shows have to do with restaurants. Like Ben said. Yes, it DOES get me people experience, (Which to let you guys know, I don't actually sit in my room, and practice for hours by myself. I have done shows, for 10 people, to 200 people. So, I may not be a pro, but I'm not completly inexperienced.) but it doesn't really get me ready for a restaurant. that's why I think the best way to get ready for a restaurant, is to DO ONE! Heck, I even have a place that wants me. Very nice, friendly, the owner is an old friend of my dads. I don't think it could get better. But, I don't think its gonna happen. But that's just what I thought would work.
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I haven't done restaurant work (at 14, I doubt any manager would take me seriously). However, I do know some things about it. Not as much magician experience, but people experience. It doesn't matter how good you are at performing an effect. The important thing is being able to direct it at people. If you do it for kids your age, the presentation is (should be at least) different then to high-class business men. Another thing is just having people skills in general. Manners, courtesy, and just being able to have conversation with anyone are all important qualities for anyone working at a restaurant (magician, waiters, managers, ANYONE). Basically, you need to be able to interact with any kind of person. No one knows who the next person to walk into a restaurant is going to be. You need to be able to satisfy anyone, so that they will come back, bringing more people to see you. This is how you generate business for the restaurant and make your paycheck worth while.

Also, in the very beginning, you said you went to a restaurant after performing for 200 people, and you emphasized the 200. Unfortunately, 200 people and a party of 5 is quite a difference.

I hope all goes well for you, and I hope you are able to find a restaurant job and succeed. For me, I'm not sure if child labor laws go into effect on this kind of job (and if anyone knows, please let me know, I'd love to learn more about restaurant work and search for a restaurant that would want my entertainment).

Hope I could help,
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Cory your childish responce to being told these things is what we mean.

Your lashing out and stomping your feet and your not really being too receptive, even though the people helping you have been donig this longer than you have been breathing.

How about when things don't go your way in a restaurant? Rant, rave and stomp your feet get sarcastic and lash out? Yea great idea.

The best way is to get out and do it yep that is the best way to learn. BUT the best way to fail is to go out before you are ready. You don't have magic skills to practice I bet, but you indeed have some people skills you need to work on.

How would you possibly handle a hostile spectator? How would you handle the staff not liking your being there? How would you handle any form of confrontation? Obviously if it is as you have here, in a rather laid back environment, then indeed your on the road to failure.

what about when tricks don't work? It happens. Then what cry stomp and yell?
See what you don't demonstrate which Ben does is maturity. THAT is what you need.
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