Hi folks,

There's a move on one of the videos/DVD's in my magic library but I just can't seem to find it.

It's basically a way of putting a solid single linking ring onto a rope so that the ring hangs from the rope (the weight of the ring keeps the knot in place), when you lift the ring just a little it appears to melt of the rope.

It's a beatufil effect but I just can't remember which video it's on. Does anyone recognise it and if so, who does it.

Cheers
Billy

Billy

When you say "solid", I am interpreting this to mean ungimmicked; I am also assuming that you are talking about an ungimmicked rope, nor extra pieces.

That said, this sounds like one of a few different methods that I've see in a few places(but I don't think on Daryls dvd - my only rope DVD)

Method 1 (a messy looking knot)
- Ring Tied: a method,by D Edwards posted on the Allmagic website.
I think the knot that is tied is analogous to the types of knots tied to allow silks to pass through arms, ropes or silks(methods in Wilson's complete course, Tarbell...). I haven't tried it yet, but it looks pretty good.

Method 2 (the knot may not look like a knot to a savy spectator)
- Metal Ring on a String: Tarbel V1 p137 (see also V5 p104, v3 p295,298)
- Locked Ring Release: Russel's Magic Step by Step (a kids book)
- There is a video clip of this on the video depot (look for "aro_y_cuerda_comprimido")
- Simlar method, but slightly different display are in the new Ency of Rope Tricks:
> Release - oring(p327)
> Joseph's Ringed (p320)
> Wholesale Ring Removal (p318)

Method 4 using Chefalo type of knot
- Gardner's Chefalo Release; Ency of Rope Tricks

Method 5
Ring is slid into/off of a simple overhand knot, but remains on the rope: G. Wilson's Ring Leader, new Ency of rope tricks..

Method 6
There are a number of what I would call finger ring methods, where there is not a tight knot that will support the ring by itself

John

John

Thanks for all the info, I really appreciate it.

You're right about the ring and the rope, they're both ungimmicked.

The more I think about this the more I'm starting to think that maybe someone showed this to me at a convention or something. One thing's for sure, I can't seem to locate it amongst my books and DVD's.

Thanks again for all the help. I'll search out the resources you've listed.

Cheers
Billy

John - I couldn't find the magicvideodepot demo you mentioned. Could you post a link?

http://www.magicvideodepot.com/

Thanks - but I know the general url but can't find the particular demo out of 6000

Glad that this stirred some interest.

The first method, which ties a knot, which looks like a messy knot, on the ring can be found in http://allmagic.com/ by the name of Ring Tied.

The second method is in the references I gave, but harder to find on MVD. Magic video's search engine is not the greatest, but I think I found the video of the second method I listed. The performer claims his stuff is from Daryls Fooler Doolers V3. Most of his ring on/off a rope is on Daryls rope DVD, but I don't the the effect we're talking about is on Daryls rope dvd, but then, I haven't gone through all 3 volumes of that.

So, the effect that I'm talking about is when the performer holds the rope vertically between his foot and outstretched hand, puts the ring on the rope, runs the ring up and down the rope(he could of let go of the ring if he wanted), then plucks it off the rope.

This is the video; I did a search for aro_y and found him.

http://www.magicvideodepot.com/view.php?a=v&t=6951


John

Many thanks for finding that

The video John links reproduces Daryl's Ring and Rope from Fooler Doolers 3 move-for-move. If these are the moves you want, then Fooler Doolers 3 will give them to you.

John

A little late on this, but I just found a source for this.


On Wilson's Ring Leader, Chapter 37, he teaches a variation of an effect by Grismer(sp) called Knotty: a knot is tied on the ring, the ring can hang from the rope(even be spun around on the rope), the ring is then lowered into a spectator's hand, and he closes his hand around the ring and rope. The rope is pulled, and comes free of the rope. Nice.

I saw a similar effect done in the Fantasma's Ring Scape routine (I don't own, but seemed similar)

John

John Long
John from Canada is right. All of the moves done in that video are taught by Daryl, I saw them on expert rope magic vol 3
Al Angello

John,

Jeff McBride has a nice routine with a linking ring and rope on Volume 1 "The Commando Act" of the McBride Magic on Stage series (3 Volumes). It has the knot component you speak of. You might look it up. It's a well thought out routine.

Aro y is using a bracelet in that video on magicdepot. I know Daryl teaches his Bracelet on Rope routine in one of his instructional DVDs. Perhaps that's a place to find it? I'm honestly not sure. I think if you do enough research on the Ring on Rope effect and its many routines, you will find the move you are looking for. Mr. Steele seems to know where it can be found.

This sounds like a move developed by Flip.

Flip actually has the ring pulled by a one spectator and it remains firm on the rope then he asks another spectator to pull it and the ring appears to just melt of the rope - very magical! You will find it on the Ring on Rope - worlds greatest Magic dvd (L&L)

Prof. Alexander

There are only a few ring, and rope moves possible, so what ever your source is they are all the same Flip, Daryl, Aldo, Willi, or you name it, it's all the same few ring, and rope puzzel moves.
Al Angello

If you have Tarbell 6, check out 'Ring and Rope Release' by Peter Warlock.

There is a book by Philip Reed Willmarth called "The ring and rope book": Inside there are lots of moves and routines, with or without knots, including some great Flip ideas, as well as Anverdi's, Chanin's, Chesbro's...

Phil's "ring and Rope Book" was one of my first sources. I'm not sure if it is still available.

I used to do an effect that sounds like what Billy described. It has been so long I cannot remember the source or where I learned it. I can't even remember how to do it now. It seems like Jack Miller invented the one that I did, but I am not sure.

Regan

Mr. Angello, I agree with your comment that "There are only a few ring, and rope moves possible, so what ever your source is they are all the same Flip, Daryl, Aldo, Willi, or you name it, it's all the same few ring, and rope puzzel moves."

But what sets them apart are their highly individualistic performance styles, no?

I only wish I had half the style of Flip!