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Martin Pulman
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I cannot believe so many people are coming on here to defend the use of CGI on TV magic shows.
If you allow CGI to be used to create your effects then you are not a magician, and we are not watching a magic show. Why do you think the old timers went to such length to assure the audience that they would not use camera tricks or edits? Because they understood that a magician has a contract with his audience-I will amaze you before your very eyes.You will see exactly the same effect as the live audience.
A magic show is not like a TV drama. It is not the X-files. It has more in common with a transmission of a concert or a ballet or any of the other live arts.
How would you feel if you were watching a recording of Swan Lake and the lifts were CGI'd to allow one of the dancers to fly around the room, or if a TV transmission of a Stones concert showed you a CGI Elvis coming on stage to duet with Mick? You would know you were not witnessing a real event. You would know you had been conned.
Watch the Chan Canasta video, and see a true master at work, amazing an audience with great skill and truly terrifying nerve. Even though I knew what he was doing during the legendary Fourth Experiment With Cards, my heart was in my mouth at the audacity of the risk taking. Imagine if the show was done today in the manner some of you seem to support: Canasta's audience would all have been actors, and the cards would be CGI'd in later to match his prediction. Result-immediate loss of that most precious of commodities-tension.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. Since the advent of the internet magic has been gradually debased, exposed and commercialised.
Café member's supporting an anything goes approach is just par for the course.
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Magic is a live performance art.

Why not just fake everything? Why stop with magic? By this reasoning Milli Vanilli were true artists.
No live singing performances, no real dancers. Why should anybody bother with skill and integrity when there's a much easier way?
This doesn't surprise me to hear from the very young guys here, but the older ones who have a history and dedication to this art really should show more respect for it.
It's being trampled on in the name of "ratings". Well, Doug got fantastic ratings and he simply refused (until NBC finally forced it on him) to pre-record his shows. Doug "got it", as they say. He understood integrity.

All this tv effects bullsh*t just makes me ill. Now, I realize Criss isn't using editing and fx as much as he is being accusd of here, but I'm not really singling him out. I'm tlaking about the principle of the matter being discussed.
It's all in the reflexes.
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Back to outdoing yourself on a weekly basis. Maybe it is saturating people? I think one of the main succes of magic shows on TV like DC´s, Doug Henning in his time, Lance Burtosn, and World Greatest Magic is that they only come around every now and then. They don´t follow a timeline, so audiences are always left wanting more and wondering how long before the next one. Weeks, months? Maybe by having the show weekly people are just taking it for granted. Something to think about
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