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According to many news sources, this may be the last weekend for Superman Returns. Even if it does well this weekend, the best they can hope for is the movie to be a $300 million loss.
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What's going on Scott?

The Superman film seems a winner. The IMAX audience seemed to get into this thursday.

?? Pirates gonna clean up?
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On 2006-07-07 19:56, Scott Cram wrote:
According to many news sources, this may be the last weekend for Superman Returns. Even if it does well this weekend, the best they can hope for is the movie to be a $300 million loss.


Excuse me, if the film costs $300 million to make and grosses over $100 million domestically alone, that's hardly a "$300 million loss." This doesn't even take into account foreign grosses or cable/DVD sales. I doubt "Superman Returns" is going to be a loss. It might be considered a "disappointment" because it didn't make as much as they'd hoped, but Hollywood is going to have to face the fact that they're looking at a law of diminishing returns, eventually, they're going to make a movie that costs so much to make, it CAN'T make a profit no matter how many people go see it!
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Saw it last night and the theate was packed even though Pirates was playing at the same multiplex. I think it should hold its own for a while. In fact the theatre with the largest scren in town, the Cinerama has "Sorry No Pirates" on its marquee this week as Superman is still drawing well enough to keep it there.
Thought the movie was OK though the religous symbolism was a little much. Could have lived without all the "sent my only son" stuff and thought the crucified and risen Superman segment slowed down and muddled the ending.
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On 2006-06-28 14:20, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
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On 2006-06-28 13:23, mandrake01 wrote:
So I assume it turns out Routh can act somewhat?


Imagine a soap star working against a green screen in a harness waiting for next SFX shot hoping he hits his marks right...


Um, wow, you just described exactly what Reeve did.
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On 2006-06-29 17:48, Platt wrote:
So I guess superman was far enough away from the kryptonite built island when lois removed the kryptonite from the back, he was okay.

I strongly disagree with the notion that a sci/fi fantasy picture doesn't have to be cohesive and logical. I urge anyone to who hasn't seen superman II to run out and watch it. It's everything a superhero movie should be. I truly believe nothing's come close to capturing its magic.

I also wanted to add that I'm always right and my opinion rules.


You think it was good before, just wait untill you see the Richard Donner cut coming out this year, finally the way it was ment to be.

Keep in mind that they will probably have the time reversal as the ending because it was ment to be at the end of II and NOT at the end of one, so it is NOT just a recycling of the ending but rather putting it where it was ment to be.
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On 2006-06-29 22:08, Timothy Drake wrote:
I just returned from seeing the film. I had really hoped they'd capture some of that magic I felt as a teenager watching the first film years ago. The first Superman film was the first comic book movie to come into the real world with class and success. If not for that film there would be no Batman or Spiderman films today.

Remakes are always a touchy thing.....how do you update a classic film and make it modern without spoiling the magic the classic held. So many recent " updates " have promised everything and ended up being an emotionless parade of CGI graphics. My friends warned me not to get my hopes up with this one as they had seen me so disappointed in recent remakes. That popcorn chewin, movie lovin teenager in me seemed destined to become only a memory.

Well he's back baby!!!! THIS MOVIE ROCKS!!!!!! Hollywood finally figured it out!!!! We like a story dam it! Give us something to cheer in our hearts rather than just our eyes.

You'd have to experienced the magic in '79 to really appreciate what I am talking about here. Regardless you'll enjoy this film. I sat through the closing credits waiting for that most important class act I had hoped for and.........there it was .." This film is respectfully dedicated to Christopher and Dana Reeve." I still have a lump in my throat.

On a more light hearted note... did anyone else recognise the bartender in the film????? Also was that a cameo appearance by Richard Branson as a shuttle pilot?? During the closing credits I was distracted and turned back to see what I thought was a glimpse of " sir richard branson" as it scrolled off screen. Just wondering if anyone else saw Branson in the pilots seat?

Best,

Tim






Wow, you had me scared there for a sec Tim, I thought you were gonna say you were disapointed.

also, don't forget who Gertrude was. I alway's liked Phylis Coates better though, in her brief time in the part.
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On 2006-06-30 19:16, Doug Higley wrote:
Been a Superman fan since the 1940's! He has always been America's Hero. Untill now. Truth Justice and The American Way, always a part of the Superman legend was purposely altered for the latest film for PC reasons and because the writers, director etc. want's him to be considered a hero of the Earth not America. It is now spoken in the film as "Truth Justice And All That Stuff"

So, personally the Truth of it and the Justice and the American Way is I'll spend my money next month on 'Snakes On A Plane'.

I know most of you don't give a hoot...but I'm fed up with Hollywood...100%

Here's the story with many quotes: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/col......02764635


"In fact, Dougherty and Harris never even considered including "the American way" in their screenplay. After the wunderkind writing duo ("X2: X-Men United") conceived "Superman's" story with director Bryan Singer during a Hawaiian vacation, they penned their first draft together and intentionally omitted what they considered to be a loaded and antiquated expression. That decision stood throughout the 140-day shoot in Australia, where the pair remained on-set to provide revisions and tweaks.

"We were always hesitant to include the term 'American way' because the meaning of that today is somewhat uncertain...So, you play the movie in a foreign country, and you say, 'What does he stand for? -- truth, justice and the American way.' I think a lot of people's opinions of what the American way means outside of this country are different from what the line actually means (in Superman lore) because they are not the same anymore," Harris says. "And (using that line) would taint the meaning of what he is saying."


Good Grief...give me a break!!

I'm sure it's an entertaining movie though...carry on...


Actually, it was far more of a political comment then trying to be pc, leaving out that bit that is. Simply because the "American way" (aside from sounding corny, even coming from Reeve it still was corny) is just not what it used to be.
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On 2006-07-31 23:21, gdw wrote:...Keep in mind that they will probably have the time reversal as the ending because it was ment to be at the end of II and NOT at the end of one, so it is NOT just a recycling of the ending but rather putting it where it was ment to be.


in II? I recall the time reversal as happening after the missiles hit and Lois is dead and he's all unhappy... as a way to bring her back. Is there another version of I where something else happens?

Where would the time reversal happen in II? He wikes back to the remains of the fortress, gets his powers back and then goes after the villains. Then leaves a trap for them. Confused as to where a time reversal would fit here.
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On 2006-07-31 23:21, gdw wrote:...Keep in mind that they will probably have the time reversal as the ending because it was ment to be at the end of II and NOT at the end of one, so it is NOT just a recycling of the ending but rather putting it where it was ment to be.


in II? I recall the time reversal as happening after the missiles hit and Lois is dead and he's all unhappy... as a way to bring her back. Is there another version of I where something else happens?

Where would the time reversal happen in II? He wikes back to the remains of the fortress, gets his powers back and then goes after the villains. Then leaves a trap for them. Confused as to where a time reversal would fit here.


Yes it was used in the first one, but here's what happened.

I and II were being filmed at the same time, and I was ment to end with a cliff hanger where he manages to get both missles but one of them, while being tossed through space, hits the phantom zone and THAT was what was supposed to release the villans.

Then they would end the film, and leave you hanging untill II.

But, the producers (who were, for some dumb reason, at odds with Richard Donner) were worried that they would not get them both done, so, at a point when they had over 75% of II filmed, they said lets focus on finishing one, and after it's out we can finish two.

So, with things in a bit of a switch Donner finished I, and threw on the world spinning ending (where it had a great emotional impact I think) and they released the film to a HUGE success.

Now, inspite of the film being incredible and doing just as well financially, the producers said F U to Donner, and brought in Richard Lester to finish two.

However, they did not even want Donner's name on the film, and apparently, you need to have filmed over 50% to be credited as the director.

So seeing as how it was over 75% done, Lester had to go back and re-shoot a bunch of the film to reach the 50% quota, as well as finish off what had not been shot.

This is where the mose campy crap came in, like the celophane S/, the hick town take over, and the additional powers that no Kryptonian ever had before. Basically all the things that kept II from being greater then I, you can blame the Producers (the Salkinds) and Lester for.

So, to replace the ending, where after saving everything, and getting his powers back, Superman concludes that he cannot be with Lois as the world needs him. So, Lester says "hey, lets make Superman have the ability to erase peoples memories after having sex with them, it's the new date rape" and the Amnesia Kiss is born (one of the most hated concepts in comic fanom, next to the clone saga.)

Donner had planned to have Superman decide that what he had done was selfish and he needed to continue with his comitment to the world, so to undo everything, mainly telling Lois who he was, he reverses time and all that jazz.

I personally think the time spin had better emotional play at the end of I, but also hate the amnesia kiss.



On an additional note, it was the producers $#!t threatment of Donner, kicking him to the curb, that lead to Brando saying he did not want to be featured in II, hence why we see Superman's mother in the fortress instead. Similarly, Hackman also refused to come back, so they had to make due with what they had shot of him, and then they used a body double, shot from behind, and a voice actor, to finish his scenes.

Mostly you can see this in the shots from the distance in the arctic.

Margo Kidder was similarly outspoken about how they walked over Donner after II was done, so the Salkinds said "here's five minutes of screen time for SUperman III" and then focused on Clark rekindling with Lana Lang.

The Lana Lang thing was nice, but again just shows how they were being dicks to everyone.

And that is, more or less, the story of Superman I and II, and a touch of III.
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Superman DVD box set 14 disks .. nov 06 .....start saving your money..... every movie will be in it plus all the old catroons and a bonus disk for each movie.......
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Superman DVD box set 14 disks .. nov 06 .....start saving your money..... every movie will be in it plus all the old catroons and a bonus disk for each movie.......


This is the one that should be having the Donner cut I believe.
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Gdw...

what you described in your next to last post sounds like it would make a great movie!

lets say yu, me and Pete Biro come up with a screenplay???

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How tough is it to parse a DVD movie (vob file) into avi files for each shot?

Can then reassemble

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On 2006-08-01 23:47, johnnymystic wrote:
Gdw...

what you described in your next to last post sounds like it would make a great movie!

lets say yu, me and Pete Biro come up with a screenplay???

johnny


You mean the Superman II story, or the story of the fiasco of Superman II
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The fiasco and all the backstage drama.

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Yes, but it would be nothing compared to the sequel, which would be the snear two decade battle to get a new superman movie to the screen.

From the Saklind's Superman the NEW movie, to The Tim Burton Superman (played by Nic Cage) Lives, to the JJ Abrams Flyby script that had Krypton NOT exploding and a Lex Luther who was a CIA agent who was actually from Krypton himself and a living superman suit!!!!
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Glenn, that stuff sounds very cool.

I'm sorry hollywood just does not do the Alan Moore Miracleman straight up and leave Superman to his comicbook mythology intact.
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I just can't wait for them to finally get The Watchmen right and on film.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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So anyone else seen Superman Returns yet?
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

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