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Scott Cram Inner circle 2678 Posts |
According to many news sources, this may be the last weekend for Superman Returns. Even if it does well this weekend, the best they can hope for is the movie to be a $300 million loss.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
What's going on Scott?
The Superman film seems a winner. The IMAX audience seemed to get into this thursday. ?? Pirates gonna clean up?
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
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On 2006-07-07 19:56, Scott Cram wrote: Excuse me, if the film costs $300 million to make and grosses over $100 million domestically alone, that's hardly a "$300 million loss." This doesn't even take into account foreign grosses or cable/DVD sales. I doubt "Superman Returns" is going to be a loss. It might be considered a "disappointment" because it didn't make as much as they'd hoped, but Hollywood is going to have to face the fact that they're looking at a law of diminishing returns, eventually, they're going to make a movie that costs so much to make, it CAN'T make a profit no matter how many people go see it!
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
Saw it last night and the theate was packed even though Pirates was playing at the same multiplex. I think it should hold its own for a while. In fact the theatre with the largest scren in town, the Cinerama has "Sorry No Pirates" on its marquee this week as Superman is still drawing well enough to keep it there.
Thought the movie was OK though the religous symbolism was a little much. Could have lived without all the "sent my only son" stuff and thought the crucified and risen Superman segment slowed down and muddled the ending.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2006-06-28 14:20, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Um, wow, you just described exactly what Reeve did.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2006-06-29 17:48, Platt wrote: You think it was good before, just wait untill you see the Richard Donner cut coming out this year, finally the way it was ment to be. Keep in mind that they will probably have the time reversal as the ending because it was ment to be at the end of II and NOT at the end of one, so it is NOT just a recycling of the ending but rather putting it where it was ment to be.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2006-06-29 22:08, Timothy Drake wrote: Wow, you had me scared there for a sec Tim, I thought you were gonna say you were disapointed. also, don't forget who Gertrude was. I alway's liked Phylis Coates better though, in her brief time in the part.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2006-06-30 19:16, Doug Higley wrote: Actually, it was far more of a political comment then trying to be pc, leaving out that bit that is. Simply because the "American way" (aside from sounding corny, even coming from Reeve it still was corny) is just not what it used to be.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2006-07-31 23:21, gdw wrote:...Keep in mind that they will probably have the time reversal as the ending because it was ment to be at the end of II and NOT at the end of one, so it is NOT just a recycling of the ending but rather putting it where it was ment to be. in II? I recall the time reversal as happening after the missiles hit and Lois is dead and he's all unhappy... as a way to bring her back. Is there another version of I where something else happens? Where would the time reversal happen in II? He wikes back to the remains of the fortress, gets his powers back and then goes after the villains. Then leaves a trap for them. Confused as to where a time reversal would fit here.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2006-07-31 23:26, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Yes it was used in the first one, but here's what happened. I and II were being filmed at the same time, and I was ment to end with a cliff hanger where he manages to get both missles but one of them, while being tossed through space, hits the phantom zone and THAT was what was supposed to release the villans. Then they would end the film, and leave you hanging untill II. But, the producers (who were, for some dumb reason, at odds with Richard Donner) were worried that they would not get them both done, so, at a point when they had over 75% of II filmed, they said lets focus on finishing one, and after it's out we can finish two. So, with things in a bit of a switch Donner finished I, and threw on the world spinning ending (where it had a great emotional impact I think) and they released the film to a HUGE success. Now, inspite of the film being incredible and doing just as well financially, the producers said F U to Donner, and brought in Richard Lester to finish two. However, they did not even want Donner's name on the film, and apparently, you need to have filmed over 50% to be credited as the director. So seeing as how it was over 75% done, Lester had to go back and re-shoot a bunch of the film to reach the 50% quota, as well as finish off what had not been shot. This is where the mose campy crap came in, like the celophane S/, the hick town take over, and the additional powers that no Kryptonian ever had before. Basically all the things that kept II from being greater then I, you can blame the Producers (the Salkinds) and Lester for. So, to replace the ending, where after saving everything, and getting his powers back, Superman concludes that he cannot be with Lois as the world needs him. So, Lester says "hey, lets make Superman have the ability to erase peoples memories after having sex with them, it's the new date rape" and the Amnesia Kiss is born (one of the most hated concepts in comic fanom, next to the clone saga.) Donner had planned to have Superman decide that what he had done was selfish and he needed to continue with his comitment to the world, so to undo everything, mainly telling Lois who he was, he reverses time and all that jazz. I personally think the time spin had better emotional play at the end of I, but also hate the amnesia kiss. On an additional note, it was the producers $#!t threatment of Donner, kicking him to the curb, that lead to Brando saying he did not want to be featured in II, hence why we see Superman's mother in the fortress instead. Similarly, Hackman also refused to come back, so they had to make due with what they had shot of him, and then they used a body double, shot from behind, and a voice actor, to finish his scenes. Mostly you can see this in the shots from the distance in the arctic. Margo Kidder was similarly outspoken about how they walked over Donner after II was done, so the Salkinds said "here's five minutes of screen time for SUperman III" and then focused on Clark rekindling with Lana Lang. The Lana Lang thing was nice, but again just shows how they were being dicks to everyone. And that is, more or less, the story of Superman I and II, and a touch of III.
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cardone Special user 860 Posts |
Superman DVD box set 14 disks .. nov 06 .....start saving your money..... every movie will be in it plus all the old catroons and a bonus disk for each movie.......
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2006-08-01 20:17, cardone wrote: This is the one that should be having the Donner cut I believe.
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johnnymystic Inner circle North Adams Ma. 1576 Posts |
Gdw...
what you described in your next to last post sounds like it would make a great movie! lets say yu, me and Pete Biro come up with a screenplay??? johnny
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
How tough is it to parse a DVD movie (vob file) into avi files for each shot?
Can then reassemble ;)
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2006-08-01 23:47, johnnymystic wrote: You mean the Superman II story, or the story of the fiasco of Superman II
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johnnymystic Inner circle North Adams Ma. 1576 Posts |
The fiasco and all the backstage drama.
johnny
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
Yes, but it would be nothing compared to the sequel, which would be the snear two decade battle to get a new superman movie to the screen.
From the Saklind's Superman the NEW movie, to The Tim Burton Superman (played by Nic Cage) Lives, to the JJ Abrams Flyby script that had Krypton NOT exploding and a Lex Luther who was a CIA agent who was actually from Krypton himself and a living superman suit!!!!
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Glenn, that stuff sounds very cool.
I'm sorry hollywood just does not do the Alan Moore Miracleman straight up and leave Superman to his comicbook mythology intact.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
I just can't wait for them to finally get The Watchmen right and on film.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
So anyone else seen Superman Returns yet?
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