This dice footage is of one of my main dice teachers who passed not too long ago which told me of his time in the service when John Scarne came (in his words) "waking up the dead (sleep, all the suckers/service men)." Even though Scarne is a mentor to many of us to the hustler's at that time and those who are still alive really dislike Scarne calling him a sucker and a coat puller.

When I mention Scarne to a lot of the black hustlers they talk about him like a dog so from that point on I shut up and say nothing more...oh by the way Scarne got $1,500.00 for doing that deck switch in The Sting.

Also in this footage my teacher after watching tape 4 of the GPS series come right out and say "this is what your man was trying to do (signifying that his way and technique was the right way of doing a particular switch."

Charlie: The footage of the guy who I call Charlie shows his handling of a dice switching move with money in his hand.

J: Controls only one dice on the bed but can do it on any pool table as well, he was taught by my 1st teacher who could throw the dice in the air on the fly killing any of the preferred dice he wanted making his number. Doc what do you mean? In the hood to stop controlled dice shots they have a man who sticks (hand) you the dice so you can't pre-set them when they are thrown into your hand.

My Monte Teacher: As you will see my monte teacher was even better at control shots than he was at 3 Card Monte. He not only mastered control shooting he also mastered the naturalness of the shaking of the dice.

The Beast: My last dice teacher is the best dice shooter that I've ever seen. He's the guy that I mentioned in an old thread (Would a real cheat write this?) after propositioning some guys in a game one day and beating them they told him to shoot the dice and why did they say that...he said "you don't really want me to shoot do you? They said yeah and now give us the same bets you were propositioning us on... he said okay...this man shot off his hat, under his legs, upside down, right side up, around his back, over the top, out of a cup and the guys who got beaten started applauding him because what he did was unbelievable.

How can people be cheated and lose their money and then applaud the person who beat them? ... well they did and I saw it with my own eyes and wouldn't have believed it if I wasn't there.

I present to you just some of my dice teachers (the others no longer want me to speak about them).

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Respectfully,

The Doctor

P.S. I would just like to re-state something I said previously in other threads, "I was good before I met them" and I'm still getting better.

Actually it is a lot more than black hustlers who feel less than charitable when talking of Scarne.
I disagree, I think his contributions were just fine. I have NOTHING bad to say about the man.

Danny thanks for the info. but since I only spoke to the black hustlers that's all I could speak about. Thanks for the insight to the view points of other nationalities about Scarne.

Personally I have nothing bad to say about Scarne either, if it wasn't for him a lot of things that I know I would know nothing about. May he Rest In Peace.


Respectfully,

Doc

I KNOW magicians think quite highley of him in GENERAL.

Gamblers less so in general again.

Very nice video. Thanks for sharing Doc.

Doc...GREAT Post..... Thanks....Love watching masters at work !

Ditto

Double ditto. Please excuse me guys while I rush off to the airport and head out to the good old USA on a wild goose chase to hunt down the legendary Doc. Fantastic stuff. You seem to have mixed with the best people in the business. How on earth do you do it? Ah well, back to the card met and a cup of coffee.

Regards,

Paul H

PS The problem with John Scarne was his weakness for self promotion. As such he tended to over egg his own undoubted abilities.

I think Scarne was great and a true expert on gambling not only did know the moves but he knew the games inside out. I think what he published on cheating was little compared to what he knew and he had no intention of teaching cheats how to cheat. I think some stuff he wrote was deliberately misleading to potential cheats.

Doc,

How did your friend rob Scarne? Although the videos were nice and some of the moves were done very well, I don't think they would fool Scarne.

really? I wasn't aware of this. What did the gamblers have to say about the man that would paint him in a bad light?

Why?

Check out "Scarne on Dice" and you'll know why.

Well for one thing, Scarne disputed that card counting was a legitimate method for getting an edge in blackjack. He disputed it for years, even to the point of calling Ed Thorp a fraud. (All the while suggesting to the casinos that they switch to 4-deck shoes. Hmmm.)

When the evidence mounted to the point where even he couldn't dispute that it worked, he did a 180 degree flop. He claimed he'd invented card counting! He said he'd published a book called "Beware of the Ten-Card Count Blackjack Strategy." Scarne claimed this book was distributed to "millions" of GIs during WWII. This would have meant Scarne knew of or invented the concept of the Tens Count nearly 20 years before Thorp published his monumental Beat the Dealer in 1962.

So, did Scarne really write this booklet?

Not a single copy has ever surfaced.

Jason

That may be true but Scarne will probably be best known for his greatest contribution to society - Teeko.

Word

Now if I was Scarne and came up with card counting I'd sure as heck want to tell folks it wasn't a good method so that I could keep on counting.
Steve V

To Jason

You know Jason I have to hand it to you for being so polite to these knuckleheads and keeping your cool but I can't.



To Ronfour

Ronfour what is it that you do? What are your qualifications as a gambler? Your posts are so short that I don't know what to say or think about you.

Before I proceed I would like to thank you for your compliments regarding my teacher(s).


So My Students Can Learn

I’m writing this to you to teach to my other students, I hope you don’t get offended.

An Honest Question From A Reader

You making the above statement tell me that you're very limited in knowledge pertaining to certain things regarding the real world of gambling. Why? Because every real cheat who gambles for a living knows that no one cheat knows everything about everything and that anyone can be cheated at any given time.

Being that I don’t know your qualifications as a gambler etc. can you please show or present to me or this forum a video of any dice cheater that you know doing this particular technique better than my teacher and I will concede.

For the record I have footage of the best in the country doing this exact move of which my teacher saw and said as you hear in the video “This is what your man was TRYING TO DO.” Note: This dice move is not on tape 4 of the GPS or any known footage so where do you get off by saying that Scarne wouldn’t have been fooled. Where would he have learned it from if there were no footage? We are close to 70 years past the day that Scarne went to our soldiers and still there is no footage of this technique except by me. So what you’re telling me is that you know how to do this move or you have a teacher that can do this move which makes you an expert to say that Scarne wouldn’t have been fooled? If you’re not saying this then what are you saying please explain.

My teacher (one of NYC’s Black Panther leaders of the 60’s) who taught me many of the cold deck moves that ya’ll seen in my video spoke highly of this gentleman because they was partners at one time or another during their hey day. My teacher who told me many stories about Prett’s remarkable dice ability (controlled shots and dice switching) said that he came down on the best of them; and the only reason he stopped hanging out with him was because he was a cokehead and liked to get high of which I can testify to because he was a kind of tipsy from drinking beer in this here video.

My 1st teacher who was in the pimp game started hustling cards and dice in 1958 (the year I was born) when my second teacher (the one that you now see using the dice) took him under his wing and taught him about the hustling game. My teacher (Willie Jones – street name Billy) who was one of Prett’s best students was known to the hustling world as one of the best black hustlers that ever did it and you can verify that by my work; his only student. Being that my teacher died I had to seek out his mentor who was older than him before he died and I did 6 months before he got hit by a car and killed

Scarne as a Mentor

Ronfour do you have John Scarne's Gambling Expose? Well if you do then you will understand what I’m about to say…and if not you will learn something new which will corroborate with what Jason said about Scarne’s ability.

Scarne On Cards

What I Think About Scarne Being That I’m At The Level I Am

You want to talk about how great Scarne was and you think that he couldn't be cheated? Well I beg to differ and here are my facts.

1. Let's start out with Scarne's Expose when he does the pull through shuffle. This shuffle that he demonstrates is horrible especially by today's standards. What gambler or any card player that any of you know who straightens up the deck with two open hands; I don't know of any as a matter of fact he does this move just like an old magician.

2. Now his next move, which is cut switching: He does this move in a decent manner but what magician can't do this move after a couple of minutes of practicing it.

3. Scarne's Bottom Deal: Check out Scarne's bottom deal in which his back two fingers drop whenever he takes the bottom card. This is absolutely horrible by any day standards and then when he demonstrates the deal with a half a deck, which most magicians can do and not drop their fingers, Scarne still drops his back fingers showing most likely that he never was a real hustler. Damien's bottom deal in the footage of Shade is way better than his.

4. Scarne's Hand Muck: When Scarne takes the top card which he does well and brings it back he goes under the table to his lap with it which is a no no, then when he comes up with the supposedly concealed card he horribly flashes the card because his pointer finger is out of alignment with the rest of his hand then after he lays his hand on the table to switch the tabled card his hand looks stiff like a piece of wood a Pinocchio hand. What hustlers hand that you know of looks this stiff?

5. The Slow Motion Segment: In the slow motion demonstration of the same move didn’t you notice that both the pinky and his pointer finger horribly flashes the concealed card as he tries to get it into position for the switch which is the wrong variant to use in this technique.

6. Scarne’s Royal Flush: If I was able to set up a deck before a game or a gambling demonstration and then false shuffle and apply some false cuts I could deal myself a Royal Flush too.

7. Scarne's Cold Deck Switch: Scarne's deck switching ability in "The Sting" was so bad that they had to shoot the footage of his move from a side angle.

This guys a joke in my book but you say he’s a god…Only God can’t be fooled, everyone else including perfect humans (Adam and Eve) and Angels can be deceived/tricked. {For proof consult your bible}.

Scarne on Dice

Let me first ask you a question…Why is it that Scarne doesn’t have any video footage of him doing any dice moves when Ross Bertram does? Ouch. Did not both of these gentlemen do Gambling Expose’? Why is it that the world leading dice Expose Artist doesn’t have any proof of his ability and Ross Bertram does? You need to ask yourself why?

How Scarne Got Robbed



After Scarne demonstrated his gambling expose one of my teacher’s friends told him that that stuff couldn’t help any one in a game (note this was being said while Scarne was shuffling his cards and placing the deck on the table) one of the guys gave Scarne a proposition bet and told him I’ll bet you that any hand that you like I will bet you on and beat you.

As the soldiers started cheering it on Scarne got Cold Decked and while Scarne was dealing out the two hands and saw that he had 4 ACES he took the challenge and lost his bet to a straight flush. That’s when everybody started laughing and making jokes telling Scarne as he walked away to “Run and Tell Dat.” They also said Scarne you want to play some dice? Scarne declined waving it off as he made his exit to a booing crowd.

Doc on Dice

I Mean No Disrespect To My Teacher “Darwin Ortiz” as I write this but I have to tell this story.

As Darwin gave his lecture here in NYC on his book that was coming out Scams and Fantasies I was at this lecture. After finishing up and mentioning the books and videos that he had on sale I stood up also highly recommending to his audience after he finished speaking to buy his books because it was because of Darwin that I got so good by reading between the lines and studying it. I then demonstrated to the audience and Darwin what I meant as I showed them my cold deck moves coupled with my dice switches and my punch deal expose etc.

I said that to say this, even though demonstrators write books on the subject doesn’t mean that they know everything there is and can’t be fooled so why is Scarne an exception to this rule. For the record: I impressed my teacher so much and his audience that I was invited to eat with him, Ricky Jay’s Manager and co-manager that evening and then was invited to visit Darwin at his home with the famous Andrew Wimhurst.

To Silverking

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Check out "Scarne on Dice" and you'll know why.
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You wrote Check out “Scarne on Dice and you’ll know why.

That statement may have made my friend O J scratch his head but not I. I know fact from fiction and can back up everything I say. When my teacher said, “This is what your man was TRYING TO DO, I can stand with my teacher and say you know just what you’re talking about.

The Real Legends

What many of you are not saying and I’ll help you on this is your next best dice worker which to me was Ross Bertram should’ve been acknowledged but he wasn’t. His expose on Cards and Dice is excellent and should have been done by Scarne if he was so great but he wasn’t. Why is it that Ross Bertram, Charlie Miller and Jack Pyle have excellent videos and Scarne doesn’t? These guys to me were way better than John Scarne could ever be.

Scarne’s Books

Now did Scarne write excellent books on dice and cards? I would have to say yes, but was he the best? I think not because I’ve been to the mountaintop, I’ve seen the best, I have the footage to prove it and he’s nowhere near the top of my list. Yes I was impressed when I was a baby but now that I’ve learned to eat meat baby food doesn’t taste good to me (impress me) any longer.

I rest my case.

Ranfour, I and the members at this forum await your footage…


Respectfully,

The Doctor

Doc,

I don't have any footage.

Do you have any footage where both dice hit the wall on a controlled shot. In my area both dice must hit the wall.

The switches used by the the best man in the video were based upon a common switch shown in Scarne's book.

Scarne's best move was self promotion.


God bless you and your family,

ronfour (one of the knuckleheads)

A lot of magicians said Scarne was rude, crude, vulgar, and took credit for stuff that wasn't his. Frank Garcia once told me the man was full of sh*t.

No problem about the footage. Scarne was about his business getting ahead and did what he had to do in order to get there; how can you blame a man for that. Many magicians today are still using this same ploy in order to get consulting jobs at casinos and you can't blame them for doing what they have to do.

Regarding footage about hitting the wall. No I don't have any because we most of the times don't have to. The other percent of the time they may say that one die have to hit but that's the fly die. Once you kill one die (holding a 6 all the time) your chances of winning is a little bit above 50 - 50 because the fader is giving you odds on your money and there is only one way you can go out and one way you can make your number. Example if your number is 10 and you keep killing (making) the 5 the other die that hits the wall will eventually come up a 5 or a 2.

Hustlers take this as a percentage being in their favor and use this to hustle other players. In cee-lo it's the same thing but you kill two dice the 6 and 5 and let the 3rd dice (the fly die) do what ever until it makes the 4, 5 or 6.

Shots Coming Off The Wall

Our dice and pool tables have foam/rubber cushions on the side instead of cones and as you hit the cushion the spinning action of the dice is not hindered at all when making your point. Check out GPS tape 4 and see what I'm talking about.

Many of you are stuck in the world of casinos and won't venture out of that territory for nothing in the world. Us hustlers are doing just fine out here with all the suckers because there's one born every day. Yes we're mad that the suckers are giving their money to the casinos but hey everybody's got to eat; we just have to eat a little less now.

Ronfour thanks for not taking my post the wrong way and you were absolutely right about Scarne's best move was self promotion. I guess I'm here doing the same thing but in my own way.

May God bless you and your family too


Your Friend and Hopefully Still Teacher

Doc


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Sir, I definitely agree with you on that because Frank Garcia which was one of my many great teachers from Reubin's told me the exact same thing as Gene Maze, Wesley James, Frank Garcia and I sat in a booth together discussing things and practicing: He definitely can back up what he says. You know what I still have Frank's 3-way practicing mirrors that he gave me at my home even though it fell apart I can't seem to throw it away (I use a 5-way mirror now).

I guess it's out of my respect that I had for him.


Respectfully,

Doc

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Videos are down.

For those who viewed them and expressed their appreciation, I thank you. For those who didn't I thank you too...but you're the reason they're down and why my other videos came down.

I apologize to those that wrote showing their appreciation for not showing the deleted section because I thought it was there until I looked at it again. I was going to re-post the deleted parts but I thought never mind, it was never suppose to be shown anyway.

It was a behind the back shot also known as The Nothing To Do Shot...you would do this shot when you had nothing to do.


Peace

Doc