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CasualSoul Special user Edmonton, Canada 542 Posts |
That sounds like a great idea! Gotta try that.
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Michael J. Douglas Inner circle WV, USA 1645 Posts |
If I'm not mistaken (I'm too tired to go check), the effect Larry describes is in Tarbell. However, a cup saucer is used in place of an ashtray.
Michael J.
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afillius Regular user 199 Posts |
I tried a new routine today and it worked pretty well. I told the spectator that I can move faster than he could. I placed the gimmick in his hand and told him to close it tight. Then I told him that on the count of 3 he should open and close his hand as fast as he can and I will try to reach in and grab the coins. I counted, he opened and closed his hand and I tried to grab the coins (being careful to be slower than him). I then gave a smirk and told him "told you I was faster than you" and he opened his hand to find a 1/2 dollar and a quarter and I showed him the centavo which I produced from a palm position.
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Eric Falconer Veteran user Houston 378 Posts |
The old routine with S & S needs an upgrade. (hold both coins behind your back... hand me the centavo...)
This routine can be done with pure sleight of hand... I've seen it done. Bill Palmer here in Houston has such a routine. Ask him next time you see him to show you his gaffles SS routine. When you're using a SS gimmick you need to do something that couldn't be done with sleight of hand. Try this. Place the 1/2 and the centavo/EP on the table ( with ]sleightly overlapping insert). Take a playing card and casually lightly with finger tips cover both coins. Ask them to name a coin (equivoque the centavo/EP). touching the back of the card with one finger slide the [ over the insert and press to lock. Reproduce the duplicate in <insert impossible location here>. Try to minimize any handling. Up until the last moment you can sell the two coins really are under the card. Just an idea. Larry's idea is even better... it is a no touch moment of magic... no sleight of hand possible... That's the key. If sleight of hand is a possible/probable method then surely the specs will assume it. Shut down all paths/tells that lead to methods prior to the magic... and then leave them in their moment of magic...
Eric Falconer
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magicHart Special user Las Vegas, Nevada 548 Posts |
Here's an idea that might work in place of the McDonald's ashtray. The supermarkets sell packages of tinfoil cups (baking cups). The texture and thickness should work. If not, enjoy the cupcakes!!
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gfcal Regular user 118 Posts |
Eric is right. Eliminating the possibility of sleight of hand makes S&S even more magical. Some other variations are to do a coin through the table as well as a very visible copper to silver tranpso in the hand. As I recall, the latter is called the "Necromantic Change." It does require some practice to keep the coins from talking.
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CasualSoul Special user Edmonton, Canada 542 Posts |
Gfcal, you totally inspired me to try to figure out a S&S table penetration using only the specs hands on both the top and bottom of the table.
At first I was thinking of some kind of Melting Point approach, but that was too limiting for me. The approach I came up with has me simply guiding my specs hand into position underneath for the catch and placing his other hand on top of the coins for the penetration. Other than a quick simple tap to the back of the specs top hand, both my hands are in plain view and nowhere near the point of penetration when the coin penetrates and drops into the specs bottom hand. They feel the magic happen instantaneously in their own hands. I've only tried it twice now, but it absolutely killed both times. I'm sure almost everyone here can think up a number of ways to do this, but there is only one way I could figure out that is 100% reliable every time; and it took me a while to come up with it (I could just be a little slow though ). Anyone that has S&S and wants to know my extremely simple and 100% reliable method, just pm me and I'll share. I'd post it here, but this isn't a Secret Sessions area.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
I never cared for the regular S&S presentation (aside from the fact that a quarter is rediculously different and they can usually tell right away, lukily in Canada we have the twonie and it's perfect) mainly because of just this.
It is too easily duplicated via basic slights. I never found that the gimmick(s) added anywhere near enough to the effect for them to be worth while. I think it only is so popular because the magician just loves the idea that the spec is left holding everything that was used, gimmicks and all. Any who, i;m not saying the gimmick is useless, but rather that I just really don't like this basic effect that most use it for.
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Bob Saget Rocks New user 96 Posts |
Haha, I actually saw a person on Youtube.com saying they can perform ceseral melting point, but they just figured out their own method using scotch and soda.
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Bobcape Elite user Rapid City, SD 470 Posts |
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On 2006-07-07 11:42, Larry Davidson wrote: Larry, You shared this routine with me through a PM several years ago and I've been using it ever since. It does get great reactions! I found a classy small antique silver (possibly Sterling) ashtray in a second hand store. It is smaller than a mayonaise jar lid. After expermenting with different amounts of w-x, etc. I've setteled on this method. Smear a very thin dot in the middle of the coin, about the size of a dime. This way the rim of the coin will contact the bottom of the tray and conduct heat very well. For a while I used a ball of w-x like in COC but it was not 100%. Thanks again for sharing. Bob
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
Hey Bob, good to hear from you! Thanks for sharing your experiences.
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
As Magis commented, the method that Larry discribes is in Tarbell V2 p96: Coin thru the saucer. but I wouldn't think a (glass) saucer would conduct the heat much at all. The metal ashtray sounds much more workable
John
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jamie9 Loyal user 211 Posts |
I really like your Idea for the Scotch and Soda but If you cant find a metal ashtray then you can do a really similar trick with a magnetic scotch and soda. It uses magnetic properties instead of wax to hold the coin under. That routine comes with the Johnson magnetic copper silver trick and I highly recomend it. It uses a silk rubberbanded to a glass and you set a copper coin and silver coin on topp of it and the spectator names a coin and it penetrates the silk. It is very similar in method.
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
As long as Jamie resurrected this, I thought I would share the reference for this routine that Larry gave us - Bobo p471. It is called The Flash Silver & Copper, by Gerald Bruning(Bruno). (The method in Tarbell V2 that I mentioned above is similar, but not quite the same, it does not use a S&S, but just allows the coin to slide out of the paper)
The only difference between the effect Larry described and the one in Bobo, is the use of a glass to set the ash try upon. Great effect, and many thanks to Larry for telling/reminding us of this. There are "gems" in those old books. John
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Jason Simonds Veteran user Pensacola, FL 318 Posts |
Anyone know a good place to get those old style McDonald's Ash Trays?
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geemack Loyal user Greg McNeil Peoria,Illinois 296 Posts |
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On 2007-07-16 14:59, Jason Simonds wrote... I found gold colored aluminum ashtrays on a popular internet auction site by entering "disposable ashtrays" in the search box. They were about $5 for a pack of 8, including shipping. I also found them by entering the same search string on Google. They can be bought by the dozen, hundred, or even by the thousand through various party supply and bar/tavern supply outlets on-line. About $120 for 1000 if you want that many. To purchase them locally you might try a well stocked party supply place. Greg |
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leaycraft Regular user 191 Posts |
Regarding the magnetic S&S. In practcing needed to reset- was wearing a PK ring for a routine to follow the S&S. Found that not only did it help me reset but I'm putting together a PK routine using the S&S. Anyone else thought of using this gaff in this way? Any suyggestions for joining the routines together?
John
"It is an old maxim of mine that when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." A. Conan Doyle," The Sign of Four"
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wfhoehn New user 4 Posts |
I know this thread is quite old, but I came across it last week and loved Larry's S&S idea. I found a large stack of vintage tin ashtrays on ebay for 99c and have performed this effect several times. I've received really enthusiastic reactions so far. One thing worth passing on that I learned while practicing is that bunching up some flash paper under the coin makes the drop much more reliable, otherwise the flash paper under the coin does not burn and the coin tends to protect the ashtray from the heat.
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ralphs007 Inner circle 1087 Posts |
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On 2013-09-19 19:56, wfhoehn wrote: I'm glad you brought this thread back to life. I'll have to try Larry's idea. Thanks
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ralphs007 Inner circle 1087 Posts |
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On 2013-09-19 19:56, wfhoehn wrote: I'm glad you brought this thread back to life. I'll have to try Larry's idea. Thanks
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him".
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