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Hi guys.

I have seen someone on TV do like a pain test that he held his habd above a burning candle and sufferd the pain for 10 minutes.

I know there is some wax or somethinkg like that you can rub on your hand in order not to feel the heat.

Do you know what is the name of it?

I posted this in the fire forum but I may catch here someone new..

Please PM me-I have a cool routine with that.

Have fun
ROi
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I thought of this, what if you could put your finger in a flame, call yourself satan and not feel anything. That would be good. I was thinking of trying to find some kind of wax that would do this for me, but with a high melting point. Now that would be cool.
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I'm afraid that you have heard wrong, there is no such thing as Cold Fire or ANY ointment that you can put on your hands to stop the heat. I have worked in Sideshow for 14 years.... and fire is THE MOST DANGEROUS element that you can work with. It WILL Burn!

I have done every type of Heat Resistance act in our show from drinking Boiling Water to eating Red Hot Coals... to eating and breathing FIRE. Never have I come across a piece of literature (or heard in my community) a way to make yourself impervious to a flame.

You can handle Fire for around 5 seconds on your hand or body ... but really what is burning is the fuel and once its gone.... its Barbecue time.

I have always like the Heat Resistant routines.... but this one is a wives tale.


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Maybe it was an optical illusion he used as opposed to actually having his hand in the flames?
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I've read that there is a Cancer causing chemical that burns very cool....?????
Hence we don't hear about it.
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On 2006-07-05 20:40, doctorrigormorto wrote:
I'm afraid that you have heard wrong, there is no such thing as Cold Fire or ANY ointment that you can put on your hands to stop the heat. I have worked in Sideshow for 14 years.... and fire is THE MOST DANGEROUS element that you can work with. It WILL Burn!

I have done every type of Heat Resistance act in our show from drinking Boiling Water to eating Red Hot Coals... to eating and breathing FIRE. Never have I come across a piece of literature (or heard in my community) a way to make yourself impervious to a flame.

You can handle Fire for around 5 seconds on your hand or body ... but really what is burning is the fuel and once its gone.... its Barbecue time.

I have always like the Heat Resistant routines.... but this one is a wives tale.


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Hey Doc, you RULE!!!! where yu been all these years on this place?????

and there is an old hindu stunt involving ALUM soaked hands that allow one to resist burn for a bit longer...BUT don't TRY IT ON MY WORD ALONE.....

we need that one guy..ah, whats his name....SANSCAN!! to come in and lecture us...

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Yes, and I am glad that no-one has published the chemical properties for THAT Act ..... in an old book on Fire and Heat Resistant Acts, there was a GREAT Routine about drinking Molten Lead. The secret was instead of using Lead, you used Mercury.

(Bangs head against computer board)

Anything is possible.... but at a grave expense.

For anyone that has wanted to DO Fire, here is a quick liddle story...

Once upon a time, 1992, a performer (me) decided to add fire to his Sideshow.
I was taught by the best in the industry and swapped ideas and formulas with Fire Breathers that had been working in the biz for years.

I became VERY Good at Fire, I had a strong act for the Finale of our show and performed it many times from 1992 thru 1995. In '95, I was brought on board the series 'Lonesome Dove' and was cast as a Medicine Show performer.

The director of the show I was employed to perform on had NO clue as to how dangerous performing fire is on an outdoor set. In my contract I had specifically asked that they had fire blankets, emergency first aid and an emergency vehicle on set, just in case something went wrong. When it came time for my scene, I performed a couple sideshow feats and then was asked to do what we call in the industry a 'Volcano' (blowing a fireball with your mouth). I performed the 'volcano' 7 times for the cameras and on the 8th time the director asked if I could do a double blow. I said I had never attempted that before, but he said that maybe now was a good time to try. I wanted to make a good impression on the staff and crew and give them what they wanted. So I performed my first 'Double Volcano' on camera. It went without a hitch, but right when I had finished the blow, the director stated that camera 2 was off, please do it again...cameras are still rolling. He gave me no chance to wipe my face of the excess fluid and made me feel that time was of the essence, so I proceeded on my second blow. Immediately I saw the color orange in front of my eyes and knew that my head was on fire! I was lucid enough to know not to panic and run, but to tuck into myself and smother the flames, which I did.

 

The crew panicked and tried to put the fire out by kicking dirt into my freshly created wounds. I was told that they had NO nurse on hand, NO Emergency truck and NO First Aid! I was sent to a hospital in a cargo van. When I got there the doctor and nurse spent 4 hours picking rocks and dirt out of my wounds. I learnt later that the tents that I had been performing in front of were never fireproofed and that was just one more lame story about how negligent they were when it came to employees safety. I spent 5 months doing skin peels and thankfully now, you would never know that I was once a burn victim.

 
Two years later I was back on the horse and doing Fire in our show. I allways knew that Fire was not my friend and I also understood that it could turn on me again at ANY time.

Now, you may think that it was Fire again that made me stop performing the Act.

NO.

In early 2004, I contracted a thing we call in our industry 'Fire Lung'.
This is a deadly malady that happens when you do to many Fire shows. Apart from the Fluid used to do fire weakening and rotting your teeth, it slowly poisons your system, until eventually you get Liver Cancer.
AND, then if by chance... and this WILL happen if you do as many shows as we do... the (fluid) can get into your lungs. And their it sits.... FOREVER.

You get a chronic cough and have a hard time breathing..... and this persists for around 8 months to a year.
But NEVER does the (liquid) leave your lungs. Slowly shortening your time on the planet.

I have stopped ding Fire in my show, and the one performer that does it in our show now is also looking to get out of the Fire-Eating Business. All the seniors in Sideshow will tell you similar stories. We have been Naive for to long, now ALL of us are paying for it. Each new performer thinks..'Oh THAT will NEVER happen to me'. But over time YOU WILL BE BURNT and YOU WILL SUFFER ILL EFFECTS FROM THE CONSUMPTION OF THE FUEL USED.

PERIOD.

I know that this was a bit off topic, but I want to make sure that ANYONE contemplating Fire as a routine to think twice. Is your health and life worth it?

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Hey Gede Nibo!

I just discovered this place a few months back... silly me, Touring all the time.

Its Great to be on board!
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DoctorRigorMorto, I am glad to see you here and I have enjoyed your posts. Actually, I didn't realize you were so new here, which speaks for the quality of your messages, I guess. I am glad to see someone talking sense about fire (not that I know anything about fire eating).
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Thanks Bill, its wonderful to see so many people dedicated to the Art of Magick and keeping the Secret Arts alive!

With X-Box 360 and Home Theatre Systems the rage.... we NEED to inject some NEW life into the ART and keep our public wanting to see and EXPERIENCE MORE!

I am happy to see people swapping ideas and giving truthful critiques on New Effects on the market. It keeps the producers in check and also helps performers form better routines then the generic stuff that comes in the instructions.

There are many great thinkers on this board and many Fantastic Entertainers that work professionally in the industry. What a wonderful neighborhood to learn and play in!
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I've done fire eating for years and fire walking as well. I was lucky and never was seriously hurt.

Last year while cooking a boiled dinner, I had an accident with a pressure cooker. Once again, I was lucky, third degree burns on both my hands, but luckily it only hurt for a few hours, then the nerves died. 10 months later, I'm left with scared hands and little feeling in one of them.

I lost all of my usual October work, and that was my busiest month.

While I was recovering, looking at the damage a split second of steam and water caused, it dawned on me. Why the 7734 was I exposing my flesh to fire? (Never mind inviting it into my body.)

We have all seen the pictures of those burned and most think, that cannot happen to me, I'm too careful... Well, I was careful in the kitchen. Accidents happen and you have to ask yourself, is it really worth it?

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That's a terrible story, Tony! Does the loss of feeling affect your magic? BTW, pressure cookers have always seemed dangerous to me.

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Hi Guys.

Let me explain it again:

No one touches the flame but he put his hand 10 cm ABOVE a candle.

Im sure that in those conditions,there must be something you can rub on your hand and do it.

here is a link to the video:
http://vod.walla.co.il/?w=//914785
It's in hebrew but you get the idea.

Have fun
ROi
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No. There isn't.

Heat rises. You can boil water 10cm above a candle. Even if you have some material that is highly efficient at dispersing heat, it will eventually become the same temperature as the flame if there is no medium taking that heat away. Even a ceramic Space Shuttle tile, which is one of the most efficient heat dissipators ever developed, will become too hot to hold in under a minute. There is no 'invisible cream' that could possibly do the trick.

However, I have heard of idiots like G. Gordon Liddy holding their hands over a candle for quite awhile. But they're just macho idiots who don't care if they're seriously injured as long as it proves how tough they are.
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There must be a trick there!

I will find and let you know.

Take a good look at the video.

ROi
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Shalom roi_tau. After reading doctorrigormorto's post about fire I'm not going to pursue it anymore, until a safer way is thought up. The video won't play on my computer but I was thinking, if you're on stage you could use a fake flame and hold it under your hand for as long as you want. On stage the audience probably couldn't tell the difference.
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Hi JAlens, Phew... I am glad that my post hit home.
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Quote:
No one touches the flame but he put his hand 10 cm ABOVE a candle.

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Heat rises. You can boil water 10cm above a candle

Bang on there Airship. You could hold your hand UNDER the flame perhaps. Heat is dissipated by radiation, convection or conduction. The convection of the air over the flame will be pretty good. The radiated heat less so. Listen to the expert advice Roi.

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Didn't Derren Brown do something like this on one of his earlier shows?


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Check into a product called stunt gel. that's all I can say on here.
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