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Stephen Thompson
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hi

any suggestions for effects with ZERO props. PK touches comes to mind.


I don't care if there is a secret gimmick only that the audience thinks that there are no props.

This question becomes especially difficult when you narrow the field further to close-up mentalism.
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Hi Steven,

The first answer that comes to mind, particularly in close-up situations, is a READING, preferably based on some system (palmistry or numerology are quite propless).

For the subject, this is as pure mentalism as can be.

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And, of course, a two-person second sight act, followed by a version of Q&A in the style of Dynamite Mentalism.
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Psychological forces have their uses and can be propless. For the best, see Banachek's book on the subject.
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Dont forget contact mindreading...
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Any variation of a business card as a billet, prediction of a selected item from many via equevoke.
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Some excellent suggestions above.

I second 'tiptophat's suggestion of a prediction effect involving the equivoque of 1 choice from several. For impromptu situations it's hard to beat. However, it also lends itself to many different presentational stances. It doesn't have to be a prediction. For example, in keeping with the fad for faux-psychology explanations, you could simply have made a 'psychological estimate' based on the chooser's 'psychological profile'. Everyone has heard of 'psychological profiling', if only from news reports whenever some nutcase is on the loose. But not many people have 'seen it in action'. And so on and so forth... it's all pasta, but there are lots of shapes and sauces.

Simple demonstrations of 'muscle reading' also work very well, if you're the kind of performer who can get them to work well. Example: line up five objects. Have spec mentally choose one. Have her hold your hand as you move it along the row, but tell her not to give you any clues. Then tell her which one she's thinking of. I can't get this to work very well, but some performers can and Drew McAdam, for one, gets very spooky results with it!

It's perhaps worth bearing in mind that muggles don't (necessarily) see the same distinctions we do between different kinds of work. For example, you could try demonstrating some of the simple induction tests used by stage hypnotists (the hand clasp, the stiff arm, the extended forefingers that move together etc.) but present them with a more 'mental / psychological' flavour, perhaps as simple instances of 'mind control' or 'mind rapport'. To you and I, it may feel like mixing chalk and cheese, mentalism and hypnosis, but muggles won't necessarily feel that way about it.

For some denizens of the dark deceptive arts, impromptu has to mean 'no preparedness whatsoever, but always do-able'. For others, it mean 'preparation that you have always done, so you're always ready'. For many years I always made sure I had the 'necessary' with me to be able to demonstrate coin bending at Martini moments (any time, any place anywhere). It's up to you and what you're happy thinking of as 'impromptu'.

If you can find three cups, or three covers of any description, and one target object to hide under one of them, then you are all set for Al Koran's classic 'Three cups' divination from 'Professional Presentations'. And from there it's but a skip and a jump to Rick Maue's 'Terasabos' routine from his 'Book of Haunted Magick', which is to the 'three cups' what the Space Shuttle is to a Model T Ford. (And the Book of Haunted Magick is a great book anyway, well worth having).

If you can find anything to write on, then of course there are virtually no limits and you could entertain people for an hour. But perhaps 'pen and paper' contravene your 'no props' constraint.

There's also Mac King's book, 'Tricks with your head'. Not many of them would seemingly fit in with a 'mentalist' image, but it IS the best book ever (the only book ever?) on entertaining things you can do with your own head!
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I would suggest "Number . . . Please?" from Richard Busch which has several nice effects involving no props. For some of the effects the spectator just needs something to write on. One of my favorites!
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I would suggests Banachecks Psychological subtelties, a few cold reading books like Full facts; this is wicked. Maybe a few effects using suggestion if you are in the know how on that
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Sign Language is excellent for this, of course, as are various "body magic" things (pulse stopping, "Georgia Magnet" stuff, etc.)

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Thank you all for the great responses
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Al fresco, on the right day, it's hard to beat a bit of pk 'Cloud busting'.

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Stephen,

Max Maven has a wonderful effect on his Videomind Vol. #2 called, "Positive Negative" that has long been my favorite impromptu mentalism effect.

For those of you that know the effect, I've had great success with a little different wording for the prediction.

Another fellow suggested it, and if I remember correctly, I think he said it was an idea of Kenton's

I've performed this effect without having to even write a prediction by simply whispering the prediction in the ear of someone seated at the table.

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Ted Karmilovich lectured on THE NO-PROP NIGHTCLUB ACT at the PEA's convention last year. His lecture and notes included a 20-45 minute act involving guessing astrology signs, sending thoughts, and answering SPECIFIC, DETAILED questions thought of by the audience. All with NO props.

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Hi ESPGUY,

"sending thoughts and answering SPECIFIC, DETAILED questions thought of by the audience. All with NO props."

What a show that must have been!
I can't find anything by TK on the web. Does he have material available to none PEA members?
Does anybody have any references or sources for this type of no props material? Books? Vids?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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Hey, ESP GUY,

That's a little unfair, don't you think? Teasing us with information about an event that we can't see, and lecture notes we can't get, about things we can't do, and so on...

No wonder mentalists are thought to be elitist!

Now, I have the perfect impromptu effect that can be done anywhere, anytime, in any clothing, for any audience (provided they speak a language that I speak), in any lighting, with borrowed objects (if need be), and has a money back guarantee that it will work so well your audiences will believe that you are the second coming, or the devil himself (herself?), depending on how you play it. It involves direct mindreading that uses no forces, and really plucks a thought out of a spectator's mind without guiding them to the thought, or any pre-show work of any kind, by you or anyone else. But you have to be a member of my personal club to get it, the price is outrageous, and I'm not letting any new members in for a while...sucks, huh? <grinning>

Uh, hope you all caught the slightly-veiled sarcasm there! Smile
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Sorry, but the literature of mentalism is scattered with ways of guessing astrology signs, sending thoughts, and answering SPECIFIC, DETAILED questions thought of by the audience. All with NO props.

Perhaps the construction of the act itself is original to Ted but not the effects themselves. Altough I did heard that he has his own way of zodiac sign guessing which is quite original...

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Copied for explanation purposes:

To confirm: props are things that are seen, and possibly remembered (like clipboards, ziplok baggies, etc.) and gimmicks are things that are never seen (like things I cannot mention here).

Propless mentalism, then, uses techniques that may OR MAY NOT use gimmicks to achieve the goal, but no props. The idea of using your business card (or theirs), or your wallet, or your pen/pencil, is only considered to be using props by the real elitist core, who want to use absolutely nothing (mindreading in the nude...Knepper and Cassidy...eek! )

But it can be done, and done well.
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On 2003-03-04 14:00, espmagic.com wrote:
Hey, ESP GUY,

That's a little unfair, don't you think? Teasing us with information about an event that we can't see, and lecture notes we can't get, about things we can't do, and so on...


But you WILL be able to. I understand it's all included in his upcoming book, due date unknown.
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Ted's ideas are great.
The way he does the Zodiac is wonderful.
I use it all the time.
(Well, I saw the lecture, bought the notes
and he is my friend.)

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