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Luke,

As this is not my product I am not sure why it's being released as something "new". Like others have stated...I am not sure what is "new" about this effect. This would have a made a nice addition to someone's lecture notes or maybe even on a DVD with some other items?

Anyway, I purchased this simply because I happen to "collect" card to box type routines. I have studied and researched this plot many years so I am perhaps a little biased.

If you are into using everyday objects then this may appeal to you. However I would also suggest that you take a look at Jon Allens video. He suggests a method using mint tins that is basically a "Poor Mans Destination Box". In his method the spectator can actually remove the "signed card" from the mint tin themselves.

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On 2006-07-14 11:56, MagicbyCarlo wrote:
Magicians are liars and thieves. Now hear me out before we all become indignant.

This idea of a card to box has been around a long time. The Kennedy box, Destination Box, and this latest Toibox are basically variants. The most unique of the three is the Kennedy variant because it cleans up the gimmick. John Allen's version changes the moment and object of the move, but requires more work to do so and is admittedly a larger item


I'd think the one that doesn't use the same gimmick as all the others would be seen as the "unique" one.

Also, I'm not sure if the DB does require more work. it uses the same move as the others but with less heat on the moment. Also, 'work' is purely subjective and it is not confined to simply the mechanics of a move. There is audience management, conviction, presentation, the sell and naturalness of handling. Just because a prop (ANY prop) does a job and creates and effect, it will not work without evrything else being correct.

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On 2006-07-14 20:41, Jon Allen wrote:
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On 2006-07-14 11:56, MagicbyCarlo wrote:
Magicians are liars and thieves. Now hear me out before we all become indignant.

This idea of a card to box has been around a long time. The Kennedy box, Destination Box, and this latest Toibox are basically variants. The most unique of the three is the Kennedy variant because it cleans up the gimmick. John Allen's version changes the moment and object of the move, but requires more work to do so and is admittedly a larger item


I'd think the one that doesn't use the same gimmick as all the others would be seen as the "unique" one.

Also, I'm not sure if the DB does require more work. it uses the same move as the others but with less heat on the moment. Also, 'work' is purely subjective and it is not confined to simply the mechanics of a move. There is audience management, conviction, presentation, the sell and naturalness of handling. Just because a prop (ANY prop) does a job and creates and effect, it will not work without evrything else being correct.

Regards,
Jon

Jon, yes, “work” is subjective, and my comment was an observation based on using both methods successfully and certainly not an attack on your method, which again, I own. I am also a fan of your work on other effects. I would say the loading procedure of the Destination Box has a couple of more steps than the Mystery Box (which doesn't use the same gimmick). Does this make it harder, better, worse? That is left up to the user. I like the simplicity of the Mystery Box, but the Destination Box has a strong "no way!" moment when the spectator pops open the pill case and removes the card themselves. One thing that has kept me from using the Destination Box is that I found a great Silver Skeleton Key key ring and being in contact with the pillbox it discolored the pillbox. I did purchase spare pillboxes, but for now I’d rather not be bothered fussing too much, so for now I do card to wallet (Mullica). We magicians wring our hands and fuss over the impossibility without regard for the fact that, with a minority of exception, the average person simply experiences a signed card having traveled to an impossible location, whether it is a wallet, box, pocket or fly.

Again is this about the audience experience or the ego of the creators of magic tricks or variant handlings?

I say it about the former. This discussion however is about the latter,

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Nice quote.
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On 2006-07-14 18:38, fishermagic wrote:
If you are into using everyday objects then this may appeal to you. However I would also suggest that you take a look at Jon Allens video. He suggests a method using mint tins that is basically a "Poor Mans Destination Box". In his method the spectator can actually remove the "signed card" from the mint tin themselves.

The Destination Box routine in Jon Allen's Spectators Don't Exist DVD is worth the price of the DVD itself!
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Ok here is a list of advantages ToiBox has over other similar Card to Box Effects.

1. ToiBox is ungimmicked
2. ToiBox packs the smallest
3. ToiBox instantly resets
4. ToiBox ends perfectly clean and examinable
5. ToiBox has more routine possibilities because of it's ungimmicked nature
6. ToiBox is inexpensive
7. ToiBox can let the spectator remove the card (though it isn't signed it is still something the Kaps like boxes can't do.) The John Allen box allows this with a signed card but costs 8 times the cost of ToiBox.
8. Toibox tin is cheaply replacable.
9. ToiBox tin can be dropped and kicked and beat up and still work just fine.
10. ToiBox tin is a regular mint tin and does not arouse suspicion.

These are all valid advantages that ToiBox has over other Card To Box effects.
I would like anyone to make a list of 10 advantages any of the marketed Card To Box Effects have over ToiBox.
Wether the trick is stronger or not does not count as an advantage. That is relative to the performer and the presentation. I still stand by ToiBox as being the best Card To Box effect out there for the money. If you like the bells and whistles and gadgety boxes then ToiBox is not for you. But if you are out there working every week and want something you can count on to get the job done, has endless creative possibilities, works worry free, efficiently and packs small then ToiBox is it.
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This effect should have been marketed as routines for the classic card to box effect. Instead, you insist on touting this as the greatest box ever for the card to box effect. You compare your box to other gimmicked boxes when you should be comparing your routine to other ungimmicked routines. You are misleading us by making us think the box is something new and fantastic.

I think having the spec remove the card the 2nd time is a great idea. I wish you tried to sell us on the routine instead of making us think the ToiBox is the bestest box ever invented for the price.
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On 2006-07-15 03:34, CharlieC wrote:
This effect should have been marketed as routines for the classic card to box effect. Instead, you insist on touting this as the greatest box ever for the card to box effect. You compare your box to other gimmicked boxes when you should be comparing your routine to other ungimmicked routines. You are misleading us by making us think the box is something new and fantastic.

I think having the spec remove the card the 2nd time is a great idea. I wish you tried to sell us on the routine instead of making us think the ToiBox is the bestest box ever invented for the price.


Here is what I said " I still stand by ToiBox as being the best Card To Box effect out there for the money." I am selling an effect not just the box. I compared my effect to other Card To Box effects. Yes my effect uses a specific style of box that's all.

I am only defending my product against the questions of "What is so special about ToiBox? How is this different then Card To Box effects already on the market?" I think I defended it well by giving 10 advantages ToiBox has over similar effects. If these advatages are not something you are looking for simply don't buy it. I am not mis-leading anyone I am only dealing with facts.
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1. ToiBox is ungimmicked
2. ToiBox packs the smallest
3. ToiBox instantly resets
4. ToiBox ends perfectly clean and examinable
5. ToiBox has more routine possibilities because of it's ungimmicked nature
6. ToiBox is inexpensive
7. ToiBox can let the spectator remove the card (though it isn't signed it is still something the Kaps like boxes can't do.) The John Allen box allows this with a signed card but costs 8 times the cost of ToiBox.
8. Toibox tin is cheaply replacable.
9. ToiBox tin can be dropped and kicked and beat up and still work just fine.
10. ToiBox tin is a regular mint tin and does not arouse suspicion.



it seams like my simplex card to box..... but that's cool:)
By the way for this history of this effect it was invented by a guy named Joro and popularised by Fred Kaps
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Authur, is yours like the Kaps version? You can PM me if you like.
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...If you have trouble viewing the ToiBox Demo...

...then use this better alternative to QuickTime!

Anyone that has this effect... is it worth the $$$?


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I pmed you Jonathan
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On 2006-07-15 02:10, kammagic wrote:
Ok here is a list of advantages ToiBox has over other similar Card to Box Effects.


Hi Jonathan,

In case I don't need to reply, do you see The Destination Box as a similar C2B effect?

Thinking about it, is it better to start a "Which Card to box is appropriate for me?" thread instead of taking up posts on a thread meant for the reviews of Toibox?

Regards,
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On 2006-07-15 16:49, Jon Allen wrote:
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On 2006-07-15 02:10, kammagic wrote:
Ok here is a list of advantages ToiBox has over other similar Card to Box Effects.


Hi Jonathan,

In case I don't need to reply, do you see The Destination Box as a similar C2B effect?

Thinking about it, is it better to start a "Which Card to box is appropriate for me?" thread instead of taking up posts on a thread meant for the reviews of Toibox?

Regards,
Jon

Jon,

Well it is similar in that it is a Card To Box effect and people seem to keep bringing it up here in comparison to ToiBox. I believe yours sounds more like a feature item something you would use in a parlor or private show setting where ToiBox is meant for the walk a round/restaurant performer.

, Jonathan
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On 2006-07-15 17:07, kammagic wrote:
Well it is similar in that it is a Card To Box effect and people seem to keep bringing it up here in comparison to ToiBox. I believe yours sounds more like a feature item something you would use in a parlor or private show setting where ToiBox is meant for the walk a round/restaurant performer.

, Jonathan


Hi Jonathan,

Comparisons are being made between the two which is unfair.

I thought you knew about the Destination Box but your comment suggests that you do not. It is suitable for parlour or formal setting but I did it in restaurants for 3 years when I was working them. I have used the sam ewooden box in mix & mingle/ walkabout / reception / banquet/ house party etc for about 5 years. You asked for anyone to come up with 10 advantages of another box over Toibox. I have come up with 15 so far but this is meant to be a thread for reviews of Toibox which I would much rather see. If someone wishes to start a thread of "Which Card to Box is best for me?" then that should be the place to start that.

I would like to pick up on two advantages you listed because it is more about performance. You said "ToiBox is ungimmicked". If something is ungimmicked, it does not necessarily mean it has an advantage over something gimmicked. There is always a trade off with either application. Gimmicked usually means less sleight of hand required; a slightly less awkward handling or a lack of openness and freedom of movement/handling. Taking a prop out of the performing zone gives a distorted view of its effectiveness in performance. To say 'ungimmicked' is an advantage is to ignore everything that is invovled in performing with it. I think if something gimmicked makes the handling easier, the presentation clearer and the performance cleaner then that is something people take into consideration.

"ToiBox tin can be dropped and kicked and beat up and still work just fine."
Exactly what type of places do you perform in!!! ;-)


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Ungimmicked is always better then gimmicked. I will write more later I am off to work now.

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I have used the Destination Box for about a year now and I never go anywhere without it. I work a lot of restaurants and perform it all the time, it is as practical as any box of mints and dare I say it way more professional looking (especially at weddings and corporates). What I like about the destination box is how versitile it is. I can put it on the table when I appraoch and use it whenever I want for whatever routine I want. I can make a ring appear in the box (from a ring and string routine). I am make a signed note appear in the box, I can make one of their own business cards signed by them appear in the box (this is my favourite use in a corporate environment). I even use it to do a newspaper prediction in my cabaret act. The advantages of this are immense.

Last week I was at a wedding and I was in the middle of the standard card to box with the DB when the speaches started. I left the box with the table I was on while I went and did a brief kids show in a seperate room with the kids. When I returned I went back to the table and finished the routine, they freaked from their POV there was no way I could have done that. Is there any other card to box on the market I could have done that with.

I have used it in table hopping, champagne receptions, corporate gigs - everything and it is the one prop I would be without.

Johnathan I wish you luck with your product however you keep talking about how the spectator can pull their card from the box, well when you come up with an idea of how this can be done with a signed card I will be interested. At the moment the DB is the onbly box I knwo that can do that.

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On 2006-07-15 19:11, kammagic wrote:
Ungimmicked is always better then gimmicked. I will write more later I am off to work now.

, Jon


Well, there goes your credibility.
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I my self hate gimmicks ,however using a gimmick with slight of hand is the best of both worlds..
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I just got dizzy reading five pages of this... and perhaps missed an answer to my pressing question:

Can you keep mints in the box and let the volunteer remove a mint?
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