On 2006-08-20 21:31, MagicChris wrote:
Jonathan, I don't agree with your chart:
http://web.mac.com/jonathankamm/iWeb/ToiBox/Chart.html

You say the Mystery Box doesn't have an instant reset or can't be set up in front of the spectator or can't be examined at the end. That's not what I've found. A tap to the box and you're ready. Use Larry Davidson's idea from his Scripted Insanity DVD ( Bobkohlermagic.com ) and it's not even noticed. The gaff is so well made, they can see the box after the effect.

I think your chart is slanted heavily in favor of your own product. Just my opinion, but I use the Mystery Box and can do what you claim can't be done.

Best,
Chris

On 2006-08-21 19:44, Jon Allen wrote:
Hi Chris,

I *think* you are talking to Jonathan. Seeing how he is Jonathan and I am Jon, would you mind differentiating between us? I looked back to see if I missed anything you may have asked me but I'm sure you were referring to Jonathan.

Cheers,
Jon

On 2006-08-22 19:37, Jon Allen wrote:
Okay, one question:

When someone removes their signed card from the Toibox box, which is a major effect as highlighted on the website, does it involve a shuttle pass?

Regards,
Jon

On 2006-08-22 20:35, kammagic wrote:

Quote:

On 2006-08-22 19:37, Jon Allen wrote:
Okay, one question:

When someone removes their signed card from the Toibox box, which is a major effect as highlighted on the website, does it involve a shuttle pass?

Regards,
Jon

Yes, very cleverly it does.

On 2006-08-25 10:44, MagicChris wrote:
Jonathan Kamm, you've created a chart comparing other effects to your own creation. That chart is biased in your favor. And...the chart is wrong.

Will you stop selling the effect until the chart is updated to be accurate? No.

I could not endorse a product or inventor that conducts themselves in such a misleading way.

On 2006-08-25 12:16, meyegr wrote:
Just a positivenote. I recieved this a couple weeks ago and I think it is great (chart or not).

On 2006-08-25 16:04, Jon Allen wrote:
Nobody has been attacking the box itself; rather the way it is built up and promoted as something absolutely awesome. Jonathan is perfectly entitled to produce a chart to highlight several other similar products. There were errors and inaccuracies in it as pointed out by a couple of people. Jonathan said he would correct them. However, rather than changing a NO to YES when an error was pointed out (for example, that the KMB can be reset in front of people and can be shown empty or that Astonish Mints is also a regular looking tin) the *categories* either changed or, worse, were dropped altogether.

The categories were fine while Toibox ruled supreme in them but as soon as any of the others invoked a YES, the category was changed or scrapped, except a couple for Tommy Wonder's Box. By all means, show your product has some advantages in construction, method, or appearance but don't change the wording of the category simply to suit your cause. It really is okay to say that others can be reset in front of people or that another box can be shown empty; they may not have other benefits. As an example, to change a category from “Shown empty” to “Shown truly empty” just so other boxes are perceived as inferior is pretty weak. As I said in my PM, the KMB *is* truly empty as well. Just how much examination of a prop are you going for??? There was a category of being able to be set up in front of the audience. When it was pointed out that each box listed can be set up in front of people, that particular attribute was dropped.

Claims are made that “No box on the market is as inexpensive, packs as small, performs as clean and has the versatility of ToiBox.” This is not true as Arthur’s box matches it. You said, “Every statement is true.” KMB *can* be repeated with no reset. It can also be handed out for examination before and afterwards.

I have no qualms with Toibox itself; nobody is attacking the prop as you will see from all the previous posts. It’s a tin with some routines. What is wrong is the total disregard, respect and false advertising that has been shown towards other boxes and the unwillingness to address certain issues raised by people.

I’d go with Arthur’s Simplex Card to Box for that price range. Here’s a quick comparison: pretty much everything is exactly the same except the look, material of the box and the price.

Jon