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Seems to me that your calling the kettle black Jonathan. Doesn't your chart point out what you believe are problems with your product's competition?

There may be nothing wrong with Toi Box, but I think you keep trying to justify your product instead of letting it speak for itself. This post has now gone on for multiple pages with your justification of the product over its competition.

Furthermore, I think KMB, TDB, and other impossible location boxes have advantages over your product. For instance, TDB is locked and contains a box within a box. TDB requires no force in any of the routines. TDB is a professionally crafted product with collector appeal and beauty. TDB comes with video instructions. Perhaps those differences should be on your chart as well.

Frankly, Jon Allen's post has some very valid points.
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You guys just won't let up will you. You can make it appear how ever you want. The chart is my chart and will stay the way it is. Nothing is misleading about it it is all true. I could remove the chart but you guys would find fault in that as well. If you don't like my effect then buy something else. End of story.
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Hi Jonathan,

The two versions we have a totally different. As you said in your PM to me, it's like comparing a Lexus to a Civic. I wish you well with your product but the way you have dismissed other versions and people's comments on here seems a bit unwarranted. I have not attacked your actual product at all. For what it is, I am sure it is very good.

Of course you are going to back your product 100%. However, it is wrong to put out a chart for public viewing then change it when people point out that actually the other products do have a number of similarities. It shouldn't matter if other boxes have one or two similarities. If Toibox really does have actual benefits in both the prop, the performance and the routines, then people will buy it.

You started with a video that only showed the *effect* of Toibox rather than any actual performance and we end with you changing "empty" to "truly empty" simply because one (or is it two?) other versions actually can be shown as empty. If there is nothing in the box....it's an empty box. The other boxes could categorically be set up in front of the audience. No question about it. What happened? That category was dropped from the list. If you had absolute faith in your product, you would let it speak for itself, regardless of the competition.

And you think I’m threatened???

I really don’t mind if it gets publicity. If it’s a good product then great; if people are not happy with it then that is something for you to deal with. It won’t impact on my sales. It may get people started on the C2B theme and they can then decide how far they wish to go with it.

We have all said our piece so let's leave it at that.

Jon
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Man this thread is 8 pages .. I think it is time to put it to rest..
lets call it a technical draw.......
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This was meant to be a review, not a warzone.
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Some nice testimonials are coming in. I 've posted a couple special ones on my ToiBox Welcome page! Thanks guys!

, Jonathan
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I purchased ToiBox .. and I think the last method mentioned in the instructions of having their signed card in the box ... is pure absolute genius!!!

I really like this effect!!!!

I recently developed a similar type of effect called "Card in a Coffin" .. but it uses animatronics to remotely move the lid on a small coffin where a card is displayed. It is a Card in a box type of effect .. but the animatronics gets great great great reactions in walk around ... here's the thread on it (pm me if you want a URL to the video):

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=109&1
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I saw this thread just now.
I met Jon, knowing that he is a nice guy, and he has been only speaking the truth, can't we argue with points?

Toibox, after watching the demo, one thing just popped up in my mind, and I think most of them are exactly the same...which is "I can do this with any box!" So why should we buy it? KMB is much more better! No force! Signed card! You can show the box empty after the effect! Instantly Reset! If you want your audience to check your box like policemen, then Toibox could be said fit the bill, because it is barely a box.

Most of the ads today are just misleading too much, be careful to the ads.
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After reading this whole thread, my problem is with the advertisement of the product. With Toibox you can do this, with Toibox you can do that, Toibox resets instantly, etc. There's even a chart that compares it to gimmicked boxes. As a magic consumer reading the ad, I'm lead to believe I'm getting a special box. Kammagic does disclose that it's ungimmicked which makes it strange why it would compare it to the likes of the Mystery Box. It should be advertise as a "Manuscript of Card to Box" routines with specific instructions to get your mint boxes from your local store.

Card to box routines and ideas have been around forever using ungimmicked boxes, shoes, etc. The way I see it, items like the Destination Box and the Mystery Box are creations that pays homage to this theme,to provide the spectators with a visual that no ungimmick box can. There is a chart on the toibox website that compares toibox to the gimmicked boxes on the market. This is like comparing apples to oranges and is the most ridiculous thing about the website because there is no comparison. You can use that chart and just replace the word toibox with any small ungimmick box you can find. You can even replace it with the word SHOE. Card can be shown falling out of Shoe. Shoe is truly empty after card is removed, Shoe can be given as souvenir (unless it's my brandnew Lebrons), Shoe can be repeated instantly. Easy to carry because I wear it on my foot. It's like making a chart comparing trick coins to the real quarter that's in your pocket and listing all the advantages of using pure sleight of hand with an ungimmicked quarter called the Toi-Quarter. Why would you do that? These are two separate markets.

I'm sure the routines in Toibox are great. I just have a problem with the advertising.
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I love the shoe story, where can I buy it....is there a chart where I can compare my shoe to yours? Smile
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I guess you wouldn't want to be the person with the smallest shoe!!! ;-)

It should be pointed out that your trick called 'Shoe' is purely a rip off of a trick called 'Glove'.
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But Jon it will depend on the advertising he will do for his shoe trick, so let's say for instance that we don't know if it's a rip off...Smile
I had an other idea what about a signed card in the shoe box?
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Jon Allen
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Or maybe a card in signed shoe box.
Paragon 3D - the most incredible Card to Clear Box you will ever own. Be fooled here: http://youtu.be/GQxRZ1OGkUo
The Silent Treatment - Digital Edition: this iconic routine just got upgraded! Watch - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=phTDUhX0m9o
Order the bar-raising DVD set 'Connection' at www.onlinemagicshop.co.uk
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Can we let this thread sink down the list now?
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No. Not until Jon adds SHOE to his comparison chart Smile
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The chart was a big hit at the convention and everyone thought "Now that's a great idea!"
All the negative comments about the chart and about ToiBox in general all come from people who have not bought it or have boxes of their own on the market so their comments are certainly motivated by other factors. I know my product is great and in my opinion the best way to do card to box. I also understand that you can't please everyone. As the new kid on the block I understand that you are going to be challenged and people are going to want to knock you down and say your product or advertising or marketing techniques are inferior. But hey that comes with the territory. So far ToiBox is still standing strong. I have gotten many many compliments on it and many great stories of how people are now using it and prefer it over other similar effects. Its hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Many of you love the versions you have and that is wonderful.
There was a time in my magic career that I loved all the shiny secret gimmicky items on the market. But when I got out and started doing this for a living I found out that you just want what gets the job done in the most efficient manner possible. ToiBox certainly fits the bill. The only preparation is having a tiny tiny mint tin in your pocket and your ready to go with a jaw dropping effect at any time. Believe me I have put some great effects in the drawer because they didn't fit the bill and I am not above putting away ToiBox if something out there was better. I just haven't found anything yet that is.

, Jonathan
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It's probably time to take out an ad here on the Café if you want to keep talking about an effect that you're marketing.

We're all pretty clear now on what it does and doesn't do, and where everybody stands.
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Personally, I love the effect. The instructions are very clear with great photos (better than most lecture notes I have purchased at the same price). As for the trick, yeah, it's a shuttle pass, but there are some subtle tips that are in there plus a couple of variations that kill.

I have been regularly using ToiBox and its variations at my restaurant. I am surprised by the reaction that it receives. It always seems the simplest of tricks are the ones that are remembered. I don’t know who is having more fun with it…my audience or me!

And I think we should reward those who publish a good effect by buying the book/notes.

yours,
Scott
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