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jondark445
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Hi:

Maybe someone can point me in the right direction for an explanation of something I saw recently. I just started getting interested in rope magic and recently saw a magician cut a rope in two (he actually held the two pieces in two hands), tie them back together, then slide the knot completely off the rope.

Where can I find an explanation on this? I'm guessing, when it comes to rope magic, that this is something that's pretty basic.

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You can find it in "Now You See It, Now You Don't" by Bill Tarr.
He shows the basic cut and restore routine.
The routine you describe is a bit different. I think it might Pavel's?
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he actually held the two pieces in two hands


How you interpret this phrase is key. I'm interpreting this as each section of rope is fully seen separately and simultaneously.

There are different versions/methods of this, and if you would like to learn these and many, many more rope effects, get the new Encyclopedia of Rope Tricks. You will find this book will be about your best value.

If you just want *a* version of this effect (where the ropes are shown completely separate), it tends to go under a name like Instano Rope. But there are many other versions of cut and restore.

I'm not sure if the version in Tarr's book is the same method. I tend to think the version in Tarr's book uses ungimmicked rope, and the pieces are not shown fully separate. But not having it in front of me, I'm not certain.

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The only rope trick that I know of that could achieve this effect is Pavel's "Junior Walking Knot." It will do everything you described, but it is not examinable, and it sells for $50. There is a drawing of this effect at Pavel's website. If you want to buy it, I would suggest you buy it from Danny Archer, who is a member of the Café and Pavel's rep. in the US.
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The Tarbell rope trick (Can't remember the name. Hindu Rope?) does something quite similar: rope is cut, definitely cut, in the real middle. Unfortunately, it is highly un-resettable. The rope can, however, be examined at the end.
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Any version of Pavel's Walking Knot would do that, not just the "Junior."
I recommend the "Super," although it is significantly more expensive. Like $250. But worth every penny.
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The Tarbell rope trick (Can't remember the name. Hindu Rope?) does something quite similar: rope is cut, definitely cut


Yes, there are many versions of this, including in Tarbell: Tarbell Hindu Rope Mystery (several variations) might be the one you were thinking of, in Volume 5, but there are other methods in Tarbell.

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Eric
The "Super Walking Knot" is 18' long, and it is done tied between two chairs. It would be both difficult and expensive to do the trick that Jondark445 has described above with such a long piece of rope.
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By way of clarification, Al, I assume you mean expensive to do what Jon (Jondark) mentioned via the Super Walking Knot. It should not be expensive to do by the methods I alluded to, but they may not appear the same as with the Super Walking Knot.

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I think everyone misunderstood his post. He didn't cut the rope, move the knot, and then untie the knot form there. He just tied the knot and moved it OFF the rope.

This is a very basic illusion, and although I don't own them, I'm pretty sure it can be found in "Now You See It, Now You Don't" or any beginning rope book/DVD.
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My rope routine is somewhat similar to Jon's post.
A ordinary piece of rope is handed to a spectator to examine. I then slide my ring on and have him tie the ends together. He also puts masking tape on any end and signs it.
There are two ways to remove the ring, either undo the knot or cut the rope.
I then cut the rope at the center and take the ring off, which leaves me with 2 pieces held together with the signed knot in the middle of the rope.
I then slide the knot off the rope and hand him everything.
No fake knot or rope.
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Yes, but yours doesn't have the two pieces definitely held apart in two hands.
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Richard,

You've peeked my interest with that, and I am drawing a blank on how to do that effect (w/ungimmicked rope). Is it published some place?

John
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This whole question is confusing to me. I know how to do it without cutting the rope, and I know how to do it when you cut the rope, but I do not know how to do it if you want an ungimmicked rope cut, tied, then slide the knot off, and have the rope inspectable before and after the trick. This is one heck of a trick, and I don't think it is possible without divine intervention.
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The original post does not say it is inspected.

If you really saw the two pieces held separately, then I would guess it is either by using Conradi Rope Gimmicks, Tarbell Gimmicks, or E.J. Moore's Instanto rope.
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... and clever handling.

However, the original poster might, "Might" be wrong about holding two pieces apart. Sometimes one's memory doesn't fully reconstruct what REALLY happened.
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I had the same thought as Pete -- as we know, it is possible to display two "separate" pieces of rope that aren't actually what they seem to be.

I have a feeling that the effect described can be seen and explained on the Royal Magic "Amazing Magic with Rope" DVD, available in most magic stores for about $10-12. And it's a darn good trick, too! SETH
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Are we talking about the same effect?

My previous post (and I believe Al's) was in reference to Richard's ring and rope effect:
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My rope routine is somewhat similar to Jon's post.
A ordinary piece of rope is handed to a spectator to examine. I then slide my ring on and have him tie the ends together. He also puts masking tape on any end and signs it.
There are two ways to remove the ring, either undo the knot or cut the rope.
I then cut the rope at the center and take the ring off, which leaves me with 2 pieces held together with the signed knot in the middle of the rope.
I then slide the knot off the rope and hand him everything.
No fake knot or rope.
Richard Lyn.


Pete & Seth seem to be talking about the original poster's effect, and I agree with those sentiments.

I've thought of PMing Richard to see if he can expand on his effect or provide a video; it sounds intriguing. When I get some time, I would like to give some thought on how one could do a such an effect.

John
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Y'know, you could do a variation of the Neff Miracle Rope. One piece held between hands, cut in middle (fairly, by spectator), you throw the two pieces into the air, and they MIRACULOUSLY tie themselves together... then, you slide the knot off and toss it to the audience, and use the great line that Glenn Haywood uses (only, it is his and I won't tell... nya nya nya... Smile
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Pete,

After thinking about this last night, Renaissance Rope (supposedly similar to Neff's Miracle Rope) came to mind. It might take some careful handling to accomplish the signing of an end of the rope, but this sounds like a possibility.

The other thought I had was whether some ring and string moves might help here as well, but I think a method like Neff's would be required to meet the "no fake" stipulation.

I'll have to come back to this after I finish preparing for my first "parlor" show!

John
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