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The idea of a self lighting candlabra is not new, We created and sold a model first advertised in genii Magazine back in 1991 called Sudden fire. Our models at that time were priced at $1200 USD, now days with the cost of time and materials we would have to charge around the $3000 mark. Mind you our model was a free standing remote control candlabra that stood about 7 feet high with 8 candles that spiraled around the shaft. A table top version would be more economical, but I don't know Egregor's methods for the self lighting candles. Your model sounds interesting Egregor, espicially the part about the self extingushing candles, our model only lit the candles, it wasn't capable of putting the flame out. I wish you luck in your project.
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However Peter's own "Rainmaker" is capable of putting the flame out...just thought I should point that out.
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Smile

I should've seen that one comming!

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Forgive me, Egregor, but the spooky music strikes me as a bit on the cheesy side.

If you can make an examinable candelabra that self lights and self extinguishes, that would be worth quite enough without additional bells and whistles.

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I agree with Neil - light and extinguish - leave the music to a soundtrack playing on a cd or ipod somewhere.

Oh, and yeah, I'd be interested as well.

Would this be a tabletop or floor model?
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Hi, I need that effect for my act....pls PM me if available.
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Anyone know if I can copyright souls ? ;-)
I'd like to just lease them out and collecty royalites on 'em. Smile

egregor, your prop sounds too good to be true, which, honestly, has picqued my skepticism.
You have a method for lighting *real* candles - and extinguishing them too ?
So, these are not electric, right ? That would be a bad joke.
That is one of the holy grails of bizarrism you know - to control real candles, especially if it can be done without chemicals.
Even more difficult is extinguishing them.
BTW, I agree that the theremin is overkill.

I'm a techie kind of guy, I'd love to hear a little about your methodologies, if you're willing to share any of it.
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Yes......this is looks like real magick.......I really interesting.
I really hope the set up is not complicated...;o)

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Gentlemen,

1. This lights candles, REAL CANDLES, MADE FROM REAL WAX, and extinguishes them.
2. It will initially be tabletop. A later version might be floorstanding.
3. It will be pk mag operated unless your specs call for remote control.
4. As far as skepticism, I can't help with that, I wouldn't have introduced the concept if I wasn't sure I could produce it. My goal was not to introduce something that was not feasible and make a fool out of myself before the people that I have such High regard.
5. My goal in life is not to be rich and famous, but comfortable and infamous.
6. The construction will be cold cast aluminum, or cold cast bronze.
7. I would like to be able to customize to some extent, to each individuals tastes.
8. I would love to share methodology, however if any of you could honestly stand in my shoes with this item, would you be willing to share info on something that is in the rudimentary prototype stages without a copyright, much less a patent. I know no one will find fault with me for that.
9. The beauty of my work philosophy is, I don't know of other methods of achieving this. I had no other input into the working. When I came up with the method it had absolutely nothing to do with what it is now being applied to.
10.With or without the theramin, your choice.
11. I am currently moving to a new home so everything is on hold for the moment.
12. My goal is a dvd available for mid september.
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By the way, souls aren't going to cover it. I am high priest of 7 covens, so souls are plentiful, and anybody who is half decent bizzarist who doesn't have a coven or two is missing the boat. Them goth and wiccan girls is real friendly.
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Quote:
On 2006-07-25 10:29, Neil Tobin wrote:
Forgive me, Egregor, but the spooky music strikes me as a bit on the cheesy side.

If you can make an examinable candelabra that self lights and self extinguishes, that would be worth quite enough without additional bells and whistles.

Best,
Neil


I agree. And, please, for God's sake, please do not make a zombie gimmick. That would look very cheesy. Of course, I base that on the thousands of zombie routines I have painfully endured over the years. Smile
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Ok ok - I'll trade you a bottled goddess from ancient Mesopotamia?
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Man, does every body have souls for trade? I used all of mine up last week. I'll trade a ring that makes you invisible in the dark for ten random souls.

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No music . Please no music . And were are you going to find the time to do this running 7 covens . Running 1 is a full time job.
But if you can pull it off this thing sounds killer.
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"Theramin"??? I think you mean a theremin? Early electronic instrument you played without touching?
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I think he meant it would have a built in vitamin dispenser. ;-D

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Here's why I have reservations about this gadget - there seems to be some minor contradictions, but maybe egregor can clear them up:


11. I am currently moving to a new home so everything is on hold for the moment.

Then .. why post about a device you're working on now, only to say, a day later, that you're not currently working on it ?
That's a weird sense of timing you got there, but not entirely bizarre in and of itself.


12. My goal is a dvd available for mid september.
8. I would love to share methodology, however if any of you could honestly stand in my shoes with this item, would you be willing to share info on something that is in the rudimentary prototype stages without a copyright, much less a patent. I know no one will find fault with me for that.


Umm.. which ? What's the DVD for ?
You realize that patents are very, very costly, they take a long time to research, and they require you to reveal all the inner workings publicly, right ? That's why most magicians don't even bother.
Copyright does not apply to ideas/design plans as such. I mean, you could copyright a manual for the thing, but that doesn't protect the idea within, only the right to copy the manuscript material.

These are relatively minor points,granted, but looking from our perspective, they're reasonable ones.
Have any pics of it that don't reveal too much of the secret workings ?
If you're planning on having a DVD out within 6 or 8 weeks, surely you have some pics or videos of the process ?

For example, I've documented as much of my ELECTRi-FRiED device as possible on my webpage, though it's not an original concept by any stretch (not even for Yigal Mesika).
Give us something to go on..
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Point #1 Yes it is on hold, However the house I am moving to is right across the street. 8 months ago I lost my right leg to diabetes, and since then I have been living with my 73 year old mother.
Point #2 I have run 7 covens {not all at once}. Only 1 right now.How cool can you look at 46 living with your mother.
Point #3 Yes the electronic instrument, not vitamin D. Unless that's what you want.
Point #4 I don't have a website. I don't document every step of the process, I'm not that anal.
Point #5 Copyright patent or otherwise is irrelevent. I'm a handicapped guy working in my basement and there are a lot of big sharks out there that could bring my idea to market long before I could if I published my methodology publicly on the web. That doesn't seem very bright to me. God knows noone in the magic industry ever stole someones concept before.
Point #6 I've read elsewhere that this is not an original idea, however, judging by the response of this thread, there certainly don't seem to be any other options. someone said that theirs cost around $3000.00. I can only assume that price mark wasn't very popular.
Point #7 I will release a DVD of a full demonstration of the candlabra, which I plan on distributing free to anyone that is interested in making a purchase.
Point #8 With music, without music, with a lawnmower engine, with a propeller. It's all up to the customer placing the order. I'm the guy making this thing, I'll determine how much work I want to put in for a customer.
Point #9 This is the final and most important point. This will be the last message I post on this subject until it's release. I am not going to discuss the methodology with anyone. If this was an effect that was already on the market, it would be against the sites policy to discuss the workings. I don't understand the nitpicking and hostility that has been directed towards me for posing the question of how many people would be interested in owning such an effect. I know that faceless postings may have been written in one frame of mind, and read in another frame of mind. If I have felt hostility and there was none, I apologize. I will do my best to bring this thing to market as quickly as possible, at a reasonable price, but remember there are other things that require attention during a 24 hr. period besides this one project. I hope this clears everything up. If not, Too bad.
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No, no brother, Mystican is just Anal Smile you should see the souls he goes through just to find one he likes....

seriously though, it is all for the sake of a good hard discussion...all my people here are NOWHERE near like them hyenas down in the mental case forum Smile...

I send my respect and wish you the best on your creations....im sure I speak for the rest of us as well..

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Bless you and thank you Baba.
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