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Does anybody know where you can learn how to do Ramsay's bean trick without screwing up your eye? This is where you take a popcorn kernel or other small thing and snort it up thru your nose and it comes out your lower eyelid. Thanks
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The John Ramsay bean trick can be found in the little booklet titled “Four Little Beans – A comedy trick”. This long out of print booklet can be found regularly through the various used magic book dealers.

Nothing, I repeat nothing, goes near your eye (or into your ear for that matter). Even though you appear to put a bean (corn kernel, or foil ball) into your eye and into your ear. This is a trick of subtly and has only one “move”. This is really a slight of mouth trick! The trick is perfectly safe.

It has been published by a number of magicians giving their own slightly different twists. The easiest version to find is in Jon Termaine’s book “The Amazing Book of Magic and Card Tricks” published and sold by Barnes and Noble books. Yes, this is a youth market oriented book. Still it is full of killer magic, not really beginner’s stuff.
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I have not read Ramsay's booklet, but does it explain how to actually produce the beans from underneath your eyelid?

Jon Tremaine's routine is purely a magic trick, without the gruesome twist!

I do the trick with black-eye beans, and sometimes tiny smooth glass balls as a more hygenic alternative. I think popcorn kernels might have some sharp points on them.

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Tim,
The Ramsey trick and the Tremaine trick are the same trick. It’s a trick! A magic trick! It is not a geek stunt even if it looks like one and can actually be played as one. I don’t know what trick/stunt you do. Describe it.
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Hey, Harry, ol' buddy ol' pal. Is this the "trick" that Angel used on his TV special?
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Hey DI old friend, sorry I couldn’t tell you, I did not see the Chris Angel special. I don’t get the opportunity to watch much TV. I doubt if I have seen a magic special in three or four years. Sometimes a friend will tape the show and I get to see it a week or so later. No one I know taped Chris’ show.

OK, sorry, back on topic, IF what Chris did was spill four (or five) small objects (beans, gems, buttons, tinfoil balls, etc., etc.) into his hand, then one-at-a-time moisten the object with his mouth, followed immediately by pushing the object into his ears and eyes, only to have them reappear one-at-a-time from his mouth, then that’s the trick. If he did something else, it probably isn’t the trick.

So what did he do?
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Ahh ok. "Harry ol' buddy ol' pal" is from the movie Dumb and Dumber and just watching the teaser for the prequel I couldn't resist.

He stuffed a corn kernel up his nose and took it out his eye after a little acting. The special was nothing compared to his show in Times Square so you didn't realy miss anything.

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It sure doesn’t sound like the Ramsey trick. It sounds more like a modification of the old cigarette up the nose and out the eye trick (which, I guess could be done using the move in the Ramsey version). So maybe it is one-fourth the Ramsey Bean trick!

A prequel to “Dumb and Dumber”? Now that’s dumb! (OK, I confess I loved the film and will actually pay money to watch the prequel).
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Yeah, the problem is Jim Carey and Jeff Daniels are not in it

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Anyways, back on topic. Angel actually pulled his lower eye lid down and you could see the corn kernel in his eye. I'm thinking he just placed it there before the trick; however, I'm not going to give this a try until someone confirms that this is safe to do.

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The trick I do is the one described by Jonathan, in which the bean is produced from under the eyelid rather than from the mouth.

I wouldn't say that it is 100% safe to perform this, as with most sideshow style stunts and tricks, but the risk can be minimized if done carefully.

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Docc Hilford has a comedy/bizarre version of the 4 bean trick (into both ears, nose, mouth, out the mouth) in The New Invocation. It's called "The Wrath of Renfield." I don't have the issue number, but could find it if someone is interested. The idea is by Paul Britt.
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I think Jean Huggard has a version in one of his annuals (can't remember which). But in this case he used lead shot. You don't need me to tell you what a bad idea that is!

I use popcorn kernels and have been ok - but you do need to be careful with your eyes.

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Is this the BEAN trick that Harry Anderson did on Johnny Carson, but he put it in his ear?

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An interesting sidebar to this conversation if you want to put things in your mouth, ears and nose, etc. look in Bascom Jones' Magick for an effect called "The Story of Renfield," by Paul Britt. This is the story of Dracula's manservant who ate flies.....great story and Bizarre magick.
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I believe I saw this very effect in "Magic for Dummies."
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Swami/Manta has a Needle in the Eye routine that can be adapted to beans, popcorn kernals, or other soft edged objects.
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The Ramsey “Bean Trick” is strictly a slight of hand bit. The effect in the “Swami-Mantra” actually calls for putting objects in the eyelid or tear duct. There is a risk of tissue damage using the methodology from the Swami-Mantra. Frankly, I don’t believe that the effect is that great or worth scratching the eyeball for.
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Harry,
I don't think it goes in the tear duct. The photos make it look like that, which is one of the drawbacks to the book. As has been pointed out in other forums, none of the stunts in Swami/Mantra should be performed based only on the instructions. Sideshow type stunts like this should only be learned from personal instruction.

The needle, or whatever, goes under the eyelid. Slim Price on his sideshow forum also thought the photos showed the object going into the tear duct, but later realized that would be nuts.

I agree with you, that putting something under the eyelid may not be worth the risk. But I seem to recall Teller producing a bean from his eye (the bean was marked with a forced card), and he pushed it out from under his lower lid, and it looked pretty cool. I also admit it could have been a slight, and yes, your final point is insightful, no pun intended (well, maybe a little). We only have two eyes, and that's not because one is a spare. In 99% of cases, it's best not to mess with them, even a little. There are tons of tricks to do without risking damage to your orbs.
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The so-called needle that goes into the eye is really a short rod, rounded on both ends. I have seen it done with a rod about 3/16 inch long. It is extremely important that anything that you put into your eye be very smooth and very clean. My personal preference it not to mess with my eyes.

The Bean Trick (or Fly Trick, if you do the bizarre version) involves putting something in your mouth, but not into another body cavity. The rest is sleight of hand.
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The Ramsay bean trick is the one performed by Harry Anderson on Carson years ago

The effect Bigt is talking about is just what he thinks it is, and it's not completely safe, but then again, it's not like eating fire or anything, either

I would look around at different organic objects that might be less irritating to the eye than popcorn kernels. If you went to a healthfood store you might even find something that has positive effects on the tissue (who knows)

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