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Jon Tremaine's trick using balled up pieces of foil, can be found on his double video Close up routines.

The proper pins in the eyes were sold by Dr. Prakash from India; I met him while he was training at PMH in Swindon. He taught me the routine and gave me the props (These consisted of three small siver bars) Which could be concealed into the tear duct, with manipulation a series of vanishes and productions from various orifices on your face could be done. I have performed this on TV close to the cameras. It looks great. Or one to one, but as an effect for standard performance it just isn't visible enough.

If anyone out there knows the whereabouts of Prakash, please let me know, I would like to contact him again (I believe he returned to Madras after his training in the UK).
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On 2003-01-07 13:48, rkrahlmann wrote:
Harry,
I don't think it goes in the tear duct. The photos make it look like that, which is one of the drawbacks to the book. As has been pointed out in other forums, none of the stunts in Swami/Mantra should be performed based only on the instructions. Sideshow type stunts like this should only be learned from personal instruction.

The needle, or whatever, goes under the eyelid. Slim Price on his sideshow forum also thought the photos showed the object going into the tear duct, but later realized that would be nuts.

I agree with you, that putting something under the eyelid may not be worth the risk. But I seem to recall Teller producing a bean from his eye (the bean was marked with a forced card), and he pushed it out from under his lower lid, and it looked pretty cool. I also admit it could have been a slight, and yes, your final point is insightful, no pun intended (well, maybe a little). We only have two eyes, and that's not because one is a spare. In 99% of cases, it's best not to mess with them, even a little. There are tons of tricks to do without risking damage to your orbs.


In Swami/Mantra, there are two versions, one fake, one real.(actually in the tear duct)In fact, there is a passage from the nasal cavity to the orbit of the eye, but I wonder if it is big enough to pass a kernel of corn. I know there are some who can blow smoke through it.In my "three score and ten" I have seen enough to never deny possibilities,but to be sceptical.
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Kondini/Slim
I'm looking at the Swami/Mantra book, and while the photo is making it appear to go into the duct, doesn't it really go under the lower lid? Kondini, did you really put the little bars in your duct? PM me if you don't want to mention it here in the forum.
Am I completely wrong on this, or are there a couple of ways to do this? 3 including the fake.
By the way, Slim (and others who read the post), I have to apologize for the misquote. You didn't mention this on your sideshow site. It was in a discussion in this forum called "Eye to eye" on 12/6/02. I misinterpreted your response to Pleez, who suggests the bars go under the eyelid, not duct. Please accept my apologies. Your insight in this area is great, and should be reported accurately.
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Yes the tear duct is used and I found the whole routine to be far easier than the Blockhead to learn. Prakash sold the workings with photo shots up close mini photo`s 1"x2" which he cut from sheets he had printed, the pins go into the duct at around the same angle as the nail in the Blockhead, there is no restriction felt and the only problem found was that sometimes the pin made a premature ejection (That sound rude, maybe I should have said, It can pop out)

In the right hands as a close up this is a killer, but watch out --the pins have a habit of vanishing, mainly on the floor.Anyone interested in this stunt (UK) I will be at the Blackpool Con next month.
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Kondini,
Maybe this is something for secret sessions or a PM, but how is the pin extracted? And is there any danger of it going behind the eye? With the blockhead, there isn't a whole lot of danger the nail is going to get stuck, unless you really work at it.
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As stated the pin tends to want to pop out more than stay in (I can only put this down to the moisture ever present in the duct plus the smoothness of the pins )On occassion I have had to hold the head tilted slightly back in order to keep the pin in ,also with the manipulation of the fingers not only giving the impression of working the pin out of the eye,also helps to hold the pin in the duct until required, if the duct should dry at all then a couple of blinks with the head held forward and out it comes, in many hundreds of performances the pin has never stuck. No the pin cannot travel any further inward (See any medical book as for why) Also upon constant performance of the blockhead by that I meen around 16 baly come-ons, I have had the odd bleed, mainly through over penetration,,,you can not afford to get complacent with any of these stunts.
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The only time I've bled during the blockhead is when the air is dry, and thus my nostrils. The tender skin couldn't take the friction. The audience seemed to enjoy it, however...
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Yeah, some folks like the gore, then they complain to the booker on the way out.
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I first heard about objects from the eyes in a National Enquirer story when I was a kid. They said a child in India was know to "cry pebbles" but was later exposed as a fake when someone caught him putting small stones in his eyes to be extracted later. I thought they'd made it up. A few years later one of my contact lenses folded up and slipped down beneath my lower lid. It took me a long time to get it out but I discovered that it physically couldn't slip behind my eye and into my skull or anything really bad and I remembered the boy who cried rocks.

I tried it with a bean and freaked out my friends so I added that as the kicker finish to my 4-bean routine (I learned that from an old copy of "Scarne's Magic Tricks"). When I do it (and boy is it NOT for every audience) I just pick a nice smooth bean and wash it down with saline solution before insertion.
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The Tears of Buddha, as it is sometimes called, can be performed effectively from the stage. (I worked out this choreography for a young man with whom I was working at the time.)

Get two spectators on stage and sit them on either side of you. Hand one a flashlight, and the other a crystal glass.

Ask one to describe to the audience EVERYTHING he sees. That, coupled with their reactions, will have the effect playing quite nicely. In the end, when the final production is made, let it fall into the crystal glass with an audible ring.

A similar blocking allows one to perform the $100 bill switch on stage as well.
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There are those that perform a version of Ramsey's bean trick (later adapted by Paul Britt using plastic flies and performed by Docc Hilford as the Wrath of Renfield)with popcorn kernels. The kicker at the end is to remove the last kernel from your eye ala The Needle from the Eye that is in Swami/Mantra. I think this is what some posters are writing about.
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I have seen doc do his routine with the flys, and it is very good, funny, and the audience always seems to enjoy it. And I finally found the little flys...
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On 2003-06-02 00:04, Todd Robbins wrote:
There are those that perform a version of Ramsey's bean trick (later adapted by Paul Britt using plastic flies and performed by Docc Hilford as the Wrath of Renfield)with popcorn kernels. The kicker at the end is to remove the last kernel from your eye ala The Needle from the Eye that is in Swami/Mantra. I think this is what some posters are writing about.


The 'bean from the eye' (usually as a finale to the Tremain/Ramsay effect described) and the 'eye-to-eye' effect with smal bars/needles are two different effects. In the former the bean/kernel is produced from the lower eyelid, usually having been vanished into another orifice. In the latter, the bar is produced from the tear-duct, usually after having inserted another into the other eye, creating the illusion of one bar travelling from 'eye to eye'. Be careful not to mix up the two effects - I would not recommend trying to fit anything wider than these bars into your tear-ducts! In fact, I wouldn't recommend putting anything into your tear ducts!

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The Ramsay bean trick can be found on one of the Tom Mullica Impromptu Magic Made easy Videos. I am not sure, right off hand, which Volume, but it is there. It is one of my all time favorite "gross-'em-out" effects, and I do it every chance I get! Smile
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I wonder what was goin on in the persons mind to even think of coming up with an effect like that. Glass,bean,popcorn,nails,rods, I even saw someone do a toothpick vanish that ended up coming out his eye. Its definately an attention getter and not for the queezy but I think the chick who makes her eyes pop out is more impressing than that. but that's my opinion.
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I would have say thank you to the person who invented this stunt as it has made me a lot of money. I have been fortunate to be able to perform this on many national TV shows with great success. It is however not something that you just want to try, you should have someone who does it frequently show you exactly how to do it. I have learned a lot about this stunt and found some new ways of handling it to make it more convincing.
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DO NOT PUT SOMETHING INTO YOUR TEAR DUCT!!!!

YOU WILL REALLY F*** YOURSELF UP!

the little bars or "needles" go into your lower eyelid...not your tear duct.

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You guys are gross. But, this happens to be one of the areas of expertise covered by Vascular and Interventional Radiology. I hope this works for you (photos and all!)

http://www.jvir.org/cgi/content/full/13/......pe=HWCIT

Journal of Vascular and Interventional Radiology 13:83-88 (2002)
© 2002 The Society of Cardiovascular & Interventional Radiology
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Hi Jeremy, glad you popped in. Some years ago I talked to an eye surgeon about this. (Eye to eye.) Aside from the equipment being to small to see from a stage, The risk is to great to waste on a bar show.. If you do the real thing, get lots of money, being blind is not a real sideshow act..
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I totally agree with Mr. Price. Why risk it with the real thing (with equipment too small to be seen) when you could do the effect just as well with slight of hand and some glow-in-the-dark or day-glow beans? Storing small, smooth, sterile items in the lid, on the other hand, can be done with less risk (but still with some risk). I make my living off of my eyes (and my fingers' very fine motor skills)--so I don't even use contacts, nor will I have LASIK done (although my wife did).
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