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dehypno New user 35 Posts |
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On 2008-12-16 19:41, Jon Dee wrote: Actually, if I do decide to do them at a corporate party, I would know that it would work before I would do it. And they do pay rather well, so continued thanks for your support. |
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dehypno New user 35 Posts |
They also love the itchy butt routine...the farther in that I get them to dig in to their butts the better and the funnier it is. That, of course, can naturally be followed with a good poop skit.
Too bad not too many people can seem to pull this one off. I recommend it highly. But only those those who have some skill at script preparation. I do sense that particular talent is rare out there. But I guess the old stiff arm routine gets a lot of chuckles these days. Or...oh my...how about that hilarious hot/cold gag? Wow...does that leave them rolling in the aisles, or what? HAHAHA...HOHOHO. Oh yeah...how about the horsey race or that fantastic stunner "forget the number 5" AHAHAHAHAHA....I LOVE them! Oh, don't stop me now! How about that one where their foot is stuck to the ground??!?!?! A royal gut buster that one is! Or when someone can't pick up a pencil??!! HEE HEE HEE HEE!!!! I can hardly control myself I am laughing so hard right now! |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I am convinced this is just an incarnation of someone looking to have arguements and cause trouble.
But on the off chance it is not, oh well.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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dehypno New user 35 Posts |
Not so...not from my end at least. I read this topic and thought it odd that someone would think this particular skit was offensive or bizarre in some way. Seems as if more people believe differently than I. Its fine...no one needs to criticize my work, unless they wish it in return of course.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2008-12-09 07:26, bobser wrote: Peter Powers did this stunt repeatedly and sold out just about every major theatre in the country. he still occasionally sells out the Pavillion in Glasgow and is kept very busy in Australia these days. he did it in his "family" shows and much worse in his adult shows. The most popular hypnosis shows Ive seen never had anything to do with being classy. Infact even those attepmting to cleaner than clean will still be seen as sleazy by the majority of the "classy" theatre entertainment brigade. So if your looking for classy bobser your looking in the wrong place. He also has had a tv series. He did skits a lot worse than that too. Seriously there is a market for everything. Its more to do with timing than anything else..so all of you get off your high horses before you get a nose bleed... Personally I was making around 4k sterling a show in the early 90s closer to 10k by todays ticket prices with similar material. And was doing it week in week out for a few years. |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
Yeah, that's the way it 'used to be', but now you never even hear of a hyp show in the UK. They've been farted into oblivion.
(quote) I was making arouind 4K sterling a show in the early 90's closer to 10K by todays ticket prices with similar material (/quote) Yeah, but by your own admission you'd struggle to fill a small pool hall today with that same kind of material, while the corporate entertaining hypnotist is picking up 10k for a Saturday morning slot with the sales team at The big hotel on the hill. And not a farting noise to be heard. Why do you think that is? Me? I think it's about class and knowing how and when to move with your public.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
There is no class in stage hypnosis. Its a low brow art no matter how you look at it.
Who is picking up 10k? A "show" for a sales team would be a different thing altogether. There would be a reason for it. It wouldn't be a hypnosis show it would have to create some measurable value after it to command that kind of money.. Talking to a few agents in Scotland last year - on the VERY rare occasion a hypnotist would be booked for a corporate show the average price would be around £300. Ive turned them down in the past. The kind of material still works for peter powers hes traveling the world down under. And still gets a decent turnout at the Pavillion on the rare occasion he does a show. Nah its not the material its hypnosis in general that's fell out of favour. Its just not trendy or special anymore. I don't think those guys doing the pubs d its image any favours either.. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
There is class in any form of entertainment if you look.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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dehypno New user 35 Posts |
I wouldn't call hypnosis low brow or classless by any stretch. Sure, at any time, one can be performed that way. Personally, although I sound like all I do is talk about rear ends and potty jokes all show long, mine definitely are not all that way. I have 4 different outlines to use for differing crowds. Sometimes they surprise me and ask me for some more risque things, such as a show I did Friday night. At the end they wanted sexual skits and things along those lines even though originally that was ruled out. To each his own...I get repeat work year to year from a good number of clients so that is how I gauge how I am doing.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
No of course you wouldn't your a hypnotist.
But in the field of entertainment in general hypnosis has always been considered at the bottom end of the market by agents and theatrical professionals. Has nothing to do with clean shows or adult shows. Or even how well you are doing. Low brow doesn't mean it doesn't have a market. Infact there have been many millionaire hypnotists in the past. Low brow refers to the place in the world of theatre it resides according to the arty higher level artists critics agents etc. Hypnosis has never in my lifetime been associated with a classy show ever. Its always been a candy floss frolic. At least here in the UK perhaps elsewhere you have a different meaning for classy. |
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dehypno New user 35 Posts |
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Care to provide some evidence for that or would you just rather state that the above is your opinion? |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Well it is the opinion of the industry media in this country. Having been a hypnotist for over 20 years I think I know how it is recieved.
Seriously I don't know how you can associate class with hypnosis shows. It has never been in my lifetime. Can you provide some evidence that what I say isn't true? Classy perhaps is an opinion but it is the general opinion in the industry in this country. And personally I can't see how it could be seen otherwise. |
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dehypno New user 35 Posts |
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It is an opinion, and you just stated for a fact that hypnosis is low brow and classless. I could provide you plenty of evidence that what you say isn't true, but you would have to fly over here and watch one my shows or any other performances by many who write on here now. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Ive seen enough preformances to last me a lifetime trust me.
I said it was the opinion of the theatrical industry at least in this country. Stage hypnosis has always been seen that way over here. Unless you have a different view of what is class in terms theatre then flying over to see a show would make no difference. ( I tend to agree with it too even though I was a stage hypnotist for many years. I think there is a place for everything in theatre) That doesn't mean to say I wouldn't like or highly rate your show as a hypnosis show. You might have a class act in terms of hypnosis shows. But it will always be low brow in the world theatre at least over here. I didn't make the rules its just the way it is. Acting ,ballet, music, comedy all come way up on the list compaired to hypnosis. Its at the bottom. There has always been a dislike by the establishment. Seen as tacky. Always. |
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dehypno New user 35 Posts |
I understand your point of view. Our point of view is that your country is very strange. Quaint, nice and all that...but bizarre in a geeky type of way. A way which our great-great-great grandfathers found so horrid that they risked their lives to basically row across the ocean to escape it. 90% of them died during the long row and still more and more of them left Britain because it was so vile and also they left and risked their lives to come here because hypnosis was not respected more than ballet...as it should be by real men.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2008-12-22 22:22, mindpunisher wrote: Having been a hypnotist you know how YOU are recieved. Your idiotic statemenst say more about you and your show and how people percieve YOU in general than they do hypnosis. Agents here sell hypnotists FAR greater scale then magicians, jugglers, mentalists, most bands without name recognition. Just because you are low brow entertainment there is no need to paint everyone with such a broad brush here. You know how you were recieved, or how your little island takes to one form of entertainment or another. Fine we believe you are percieved as low class entertainment. You have convinced me. I can give you the names of many entertainers who do hypnosis shows who are percieved quite differently. Some from Down Under, some from America, a few from Europe, and one from South America. The fact that you can not see how it could be otherwise is due to how bitter you have become at your complete lack of ability to find work. Obviously your country has had problems with the medium. It spilled on you. OOPS. Life moves on. Like I said your posts tell us far more about you than they do about anything else. Who compared the Ballet to hypnosis anyhow and why would anyone do that? Your comparisons are at best straw man arguements to bolster your own opinion. They are FAR from fact, no matter HOW much you believe them.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Danny I don't think you guys really know where you stand in your industry. Either that you or you yanks see things differently. Why would anyone compare art forms? Because they do. Just the same way people compare cars schools, types of restaruants , parts of town etc etc...Its human nature. Aren't hypnotists supposed to be students and masters of human behaviour? You really aren't aware of that?
Its human nature. Idiotic? hmmmmmm. Im not even going to bother Danny either you Yanks just love everything and put everything on the same level (which we both know is rediculous)and everything is high class or your knowledge and awareness of whats really going on around you is pretty lame. Yes as a stage hypnotist I was low brow entertainment. So what? I enjoy low brow entertainment. Stage hypnosis has always been that. Always will be. To think otherwise is delusonal. It being more popular has nothing to do with it being high brow or low brow. Some of the most profitable and popular activities appeal to the lowest common demonator. Go on tell me making someone make noises like an animal or talk like an alien is high brow. Its a serious art form isn't it? And despite the many idiotic comments youve made in the past I haven't made a personal attack towards you. Perhaps I just have more class. Perhaps you should get out of the holiday camps for a while... |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I had a whole post written but deleted it.
I will condence it to just this. MP you by no means speak for anyone but yourself. You claim to speak for agents, and for a whole country but simply you are one mans opinion. No more or less valid than any other opinion. It is affected by your experiences which have made you quite bitter. If you were thought of or sold as low brow entertainment then so be it. Just stop telling everyone they are just like you. People, their acts, their perceptions are individual. You do not speak for the world at large. Thank God for small favors.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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dehypno New user 35 Posts |
I must reiterate...now I do see why our forefathers fled that country...remind me never to go.
I do think that your opinions are sort of based on how hypnosis is perceived as something that it is not in your country. Old stereotypes of the profession may have clouded your mind. And who says that some not-so-manly man dancing around in tights is high brow anyway? I think that is more profane and disgusting than anything that even I would pull off in a hypnosis show. Give me fart noises over men in tights every single day...and I will insist that farts are more classy. But, occasionally I will suggest that dudes in my show are great ballerinas and perform like graceful swans...so in your opinion would that elevate the class of my show? I will give you that women in those outfits are pretty hot. But their legs are way too strong...gives them too much power in an argument. |
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
It does seem like the UK does have something against hypnotherapy. Here's the URL to an article in The Independent
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cri......205.html with a headline that says a hypnotherapist was jailed for sex attacks. However, if you read the article, it doesn't say anything about hypnotherapy. In fact, the guy billed himself as a "spiritual healer" and committed the alleged crimes while giving massages. For some reason, though, The Independent felt it was more important to attack a hypnotherapist than a masseur. I wonder why that is? |
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