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Brent Allan Elite user Chicago 415 Posts |
What I meant is that, generally, to do a good hypnosis show, the audience has to be able to understand your pre-show talk, your instructions for the induction, etc.
Of course the actual show is very visual, with people doing the skits and everyone generally having a good time. But I would imagine it would be quite difficult for an American who does not speak Japanese to do a hypno show for a group that only understands Japanese! (And no fair using a translator.) I am sure you could possibly do an induction without language, but directing the skits would likely be rather difficult.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Nope, you're wrong completely.
See, you say that 40% of the audience does not share the language, now it is the whole audience. Pick a horse and ride it. Bottom line, MOST cruise ships use hypnotists because they transcend the language barrier with just a FEW people on stage who know the language. The audience does NOT have to hear the show in the right language unless they are being used as subjects. You admit you have only been on one cruise. Sorry to say this is not enough experience to extrapolate information from. Yes, if 100% of the people do NOT share your language, all may be lost. BUT with 60% of them, which was your original point, it is easy. I hope this clears things up.
Danny Doyle
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Brent Allan Elite user Chicago 415 Posts |
Pick a horse and ride it??
I don't understand why you are choosing to argue with me here, Danny. I am asking what I feel are legitimate questions and offering reasons for why I am speculating. I have never once said, "This is how it is." And I still maintain that anyone who does not understand the patter will, at the very least, have diminished enjoyment of the show. Watching someone act goofy is entertaining, but it is even MORE entertaining if you are able to understand that this person has forgotten their own name. But the hard facts are that cruise lines DO use hypnotists, and my speculation is just that, speculation, based on my admittedly uninformed opinion. Good job, Danny. You sure put me in my place.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Now you're offended?
You admit you have an uninformed opinion, I correct it, and I am the bad guy? Your point is that a show is more entertaining if you understand the words? Hmmm, hard to argue that. I am confused how you went from 40% of the audience not speaking the language to 100%. You seem to be moving the goal posts to make your point. Sorry if you feel bad, but things are what they are.
Danny Doyle
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Brent Allan Elite user Chicago 415 Posts |
Considering the fact that I am speaking hypothetically and am not out to make any specific point, I can alter the facts any way I want to in order to illustrate what I am trying to say.
Let's go even further. Let's say the entire audience AND the entire cruise ship staff only speak a rare dialect of Swahili, and they are all BLIND. A REALLY good hypnotist could theoretically still do an induction, and the audience could enjoy the show because they hear the confused little noises the committee is making as they blindly stumble about the stage, jabbering in their native tongue. So what is my point? No point whatsoever. I was merely speculating from the beginning how effective this type of entertainment may be when taking a language barrier into consideration. Danny chose to tell me I am wrong and demanded that I pick a horse because I happened to be changing things to illustrate some hypothetical scenarios.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Here again you are wrong, LOL.
Language is a HUGE barrier. Not sharing a similar life experience will seriously diminish the show. See, the problem from the beginning is you were SPECULATING. I corrected your speculation with facts. OOPS. Others chimed in, Dean included. So your hypothetical situation turned into a wrong idea. No harm, no foul. Get over it. If it is such a big deal to be wrong, don't post speculative ideas. The problem is many people read your speculation as if it were fact. I felt that it needed to be corrected as it had some major flaws, which Dean and I pointed out. We were trying to help you, and you kept moving the goal posts till you came up with some crazy situation in which you were right. So I address this to everyone ELSE reading: Reread Deans post, he is spot on. I am sorry if I have offended you, it was not my intent. I thought you actually wanted the right answer.
Danny Doyle
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Brent Allan Elite user Chicago 415 Posts |
Fair enough. Perhaps some did not realize I was merely speculating. I can't necessarily take responsibility for that, as my original post DID say: "I would think that the language barrier would negatively impact a hypnosis or mentalism show. Of course, I could be wrong."
Regardless, I did take exception to your apparent rudeness with the whole "pick a horse" remark. We have both clarified our positions, all is well. I apologize to everyone else that this little interaction kind of hijacked this thread. I invite everyone to continue the original discussion. Busterjuggler invited everyone to talk amongst yourselves. The topic? "Who are the cruise ship agencies worldwide you have been the most impressed with, eg. amount of bookings, easiest to be in contact with, etc.?" Discuss!
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Actually it provided a fantastic diversion, as none of us really are going to give up contact information. LOL
Danny Doyle
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Sealegs Inner circle The UK, Portsmouth 2596 Posts |
I've worked for most of the major cruise lines since 1985, and in all that time, I have only come across one hypnotist....and he wasn't booked by the cruise line but by the company that had chartered the ship for the week!
It was my understanding that many cruise lines have a policy of not booking hypnotists because they can't be bothered to deal with the inevitable law suits that follow from subjects claiming to have been left psychologically damaged from being hypnotized. So to any hypnotist that manages to get themselves booked on the ships. Neal (currently on for parts of the 100+ day hypnotist-free world cruises on the QM2 and QE2)
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Check every major agent for cruise ships and tell me hypnotists are not working.
The statement is just wrong.
Danny Doyle
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Sealegs Inner circle The UK, Portsmouth 2596 Posts |
Danny, I'm merely saying that I am not personally aware of any hypnotists working the cruise ships, and I work exclusively in the cruise market and have done so for many years.
I'm not sure which statement is "just wrong". It can't be the one about not coming across any hypnotists because I know what I have and haven't come across.....and it can't be the one about what I understand to be the policy of many cruise lines, as I know what I "understand". Maybe you meant that my understanding is wrong, rather than my statement, which indeed may well be the case...and if it is wrong, then that's good news for hypnotists. I'm off to another cruise line tomorrow (Crystal), and it's my understanding that there's no hypnotists there either! But I'm still happy to be wrong. Neal.
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filberts24 New user 1 Post |
Alexander, the hypnotist, works for Princess quite regularly.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I guess that is what I was saying.
Maybe in your limited experience there are no hypnotists. Great. We can debate semantics if you like to deflect from the fact that hypnotists are quite popular on cruise ships. Either way, the point is made with the previous post. Add to that list Ballentine, me, and 3 others I can think of with no trouble, and you can see why I think you are just wrong. Or whatever phrase you feel makes you feel better.
Danny Doyle
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MrHyde Special user 810 Posts |
I think this thread illustrates an interesting point that I made on another thread, that the "cruise ship industry" is not just one whole unified being that can be approached and marketed to in one manner.
Rather, there are many subsections within it that have unique needs. (some with and some without hyp acts) :) |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Some with and without any variety acts at ALL!
Many use the singers and dancers alone. Many won't use comics. BUT, as an industry, by and large, they use lots of entertainment.
Danny Doyle
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Sealegs Inner circle The UK, Portsmouth 2596 Posts |
Danny,
Re: "....you can see why I think you are just wrong." No, I can't. Neal
Neal Austin
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Shawn Farquhar V.I.P. Canada 760 Posts |
Just to back up the point that Hypnotists are working at sea. The Norwegian Star, my vessel for the last three and a half years just had two Hypnotists back to back. Both drew large houses and one sold over $2500 in back of the rooms sales!
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Which was indeed my point thank you very much.
Danny Doyle
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mika New user USA & Germany 100 Posts |
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magicofCurtis Inner circle Los Angeles 2545 Posts |
Here are a few contacts.... There are about 250 different contacts ranging from agents, bookers, cruise lines etc... Here are a few ....
FIRST CLASS ENTERTAINMENT, INC. Attn: New Talent Department 483 Ridgewood Road Maplewood, NJ 07040-2136 Jean Ann Ryan Productions 308 S.E. 14th Street Fort Lauderdale Florida 33316 PGT Entertainments 1353 N Courtenay Parkway Suite Y Merritt Island Florida 32953 Sixth Star Entertainment & Marketing. Inc. 21 N.W. 5th Street Fort Lauderdale, Florida 3330 Walter Painter Company 4922 Carpenter Ave. Valley Village CA 91607 There are also website that you can become a memeber that will provide you with lots of cruise ship details....
Curtis Lovell II
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