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Based on the raves of numerous people who's opinions I respect, there is apparently a lot of great material in this book, and I was thinking about getting it. But after reading the effect descriptions, I have to wonder how many of these will fit my unusual performance venue:

I deal cards for a casino party company in the evenings, mostly 21. I do SHORT, UNCOMPLICATED routines or flourishes at the end of a shoe, before I shuffle. It really helps with tips. (The flourishes often get more tips than the routines..) I don't present anything as being magical, but rather as "Watch out when you go to Vegas, or this might happen to you!". I try to convey that I am on the players' side.

I can't do anything with gaffs. Mgmt would flip out, as it would ruin players' confidence that the games are run on the square, if it were discovered.

Also, though I love them, no Triumph or twisting the aces type of effects either. We use cancelled casino Bees with alternate corners cut off. You can't secretly turn these cards over, or pretend to turn them over and then not. It shows up big time when they are or aren't reversed, even from a distance. And no, I cannot use my own cards. The company wants all the cards to be uniform and look consistent, and as I often move from table to table, its just not possible.
Obviously, nothing with a pre-set stack will work . I can't even use a favorite personal version of card warp, with the obvious torn card issue.
Even pre-locating and then setting 4 aces for an ace assembly is pretty difficult without drawing a LOT of attention.

Right now its pretty much ACR, an alternate Dr daley I came up with, a quickie monte routine, a card under the napkin routine, and demo involving dealing a 2nd. I mostly stay away from gambling routines, because not only are they real hard to set up from a 4 deck shoe, they sort of convey that the dealer ( me) might be cheating them. A couple of times when dealing poker, during breaks in the game, I have set up and done "How To Deal Yourself a Royal Flush" under the right conditions. The reponse seemed to be more that of concern and suspicion than the steadfast positive responses I get doing non-gambling routines at the 21 table.

I would appreciate responses from those who use effects from Dear Mr Fantasy, in regards to whether many of the effects in it will be usable in my situation.
I apologize for the length of this post.
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MXRay
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On 2006-08-22 23:01, mxray wrote:
I deal cards for a casino party company in the evenings, mostly 21. I do SHORT, UNCOMPLICATED routines or flourishes at the end of a shoe, before I shuffle.


This is the most bizzare thing I've ever heard. You are a casino dealer to all intents and purposes and you are doing flourishes and mini effects before you shuffle each shoe?!?

You get tips for that? I know what I'd give you - a view of me from the back as I walk away from your table. I don't know, is it all just for fun maybe? I mean, I've been to some casino nights where you play with fake money that they give you and you win drinks and stuff but if people are betting their own money, to allow you to do your flourishes and effects is the worst decision ever made by a casino of any kind! And don't even get me started on GAMBLING DEMO's! No offence to you man, I just find it unbelievable that you're allowed to do this.

Anyway, 'Dear Mr. Fantasy' is a fantastic book filled with amazing card magic . However, if you want short, snappy effects and/or flourishes then, if my memory serves, there's nothing really like that in there. It sounds like you want something specific and this may not be it.

Cheers,

Dave.
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How confusing. Dave, I think you might be wrong here, or I could be wrong. He says he works for a CASINO PARTY company. Is this where parties for birthdays etc are set up and you are hired to deal the cards? Or is it a REAL Casino you work in?

DMF is an awesome book, and there is a GREAT Poker deal at the end of the book that I use all the time, and play against the guests at the party for money, and at the end, I give the money to the event organiser telling them all the money is to go to charity. There are some killer effects in the book, but you wouldnt be able to do most of the effects with the cards you describe
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An excellent trick that might interest you in this book is Line of Sight.
A quickie that can be done several time. Fan the card face toward spec and pretend to see the reflection of a card in spec eye Smile
Always get excellent response. Probably one of my favorite trick. Not hard to do and undetectable. If someone hand me a deck of card for a trick, this is the one I'll show.

In casino context, pretend you have lots of card control, even see through their eyes !

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Yikes. If I sat down at your table and you started doing sleight of hand I would complain to the management. My advice is to just deal the cards. If you want to do tricks, get aq job doing walk around at a restaurant on the side.

This reminds me of a story Johnny Ace Palmer once told me about doing a money trick for a teller at his bank. After the trick, she made a mistake and she short-changed him $10 or $20. He couldn't tell her she didn't give him all the money after making money disappear and appear and multiply so he took it as a lesson learned and never did that again.
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On 2006-08-23 06:04, Christopher Williams wrote:
How confusing. Dave, I think you might be wrong here, or I could be wrong. He says he works for a CASINO PARTY company. Is this where parties for birthdays etc are set up and you are hired to deal the cards? Or is it a REAL Casino you work in?


That's what I'm saying Chris. If it's a 'just for fun' type arrangement ie. no money at stake then by all means. But, if people are gambling their hard earned while the guy who's dealing demonstrates that he can be 'deceitful' with cards then I'm at a loss for words!

Dave.
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Point taken and agreed Dave
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The line of sight is a good one.
the spectator cuts the aces is great.
daley's
twisting

I use all these and it seems you could adapt them to your venue even though the cards are funny ones.
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Chris was correct in his initial impression. Its a party, no real gambling takes place. No one is ever allowed to risk any real money, though sometimes guests can win prizes.

Dave, when I plainly said casino PARTY COMPANY (as opposed to working in a casino) I erroneously assumed anyone would have the good sense to realize it was a type of PARTY. My mistake. You're certainly entitled to your opinion of what I do, but I take exception at the "a view of me from the back " comment, which was unnecessarily classless.

"My advice is to just deal the cards. If you want to do tricks, get a job doing walk around at a restaurant on the side. "
-Thanks for the advice dad, but that wasn't what I asked for. I have been doing this for guests at these parties for a couple of years, and with the exceptions I mentioned, it has always gone over extremely well. A number of clients have specifically requesed that I deal again at their next party, and I usually get more tips than most of the other dealers. I have a real day job. I do this for fun and a little extra moeny. I enjoy what I do, and so do the guests, so apparently, they don't share your opinion. Sorry if that doesn't measure up to what you think I should do with my spare time. You're certainly entitled to your opinion.

As I stated, I present it that I am on their side, and that they need to watch out for some of the "mechanics" out there. After a routine, I always underscore that their safest bet in 21 is a shoe game, where someone can't do what I have just demonstrated to them. I also help them with playing decisions and tell them what the correct basic strategy play is, when they ask. A reasonable person would more likely be appreciative, not angry.

Nicholas and Frank, thanks for the constructive help. I really do appreciate it.
Frank, I forgot ot mention Spectator Cuts The Aces in my earlier post. I learned the version in one of the CC books, but again, I can only do it in the right situations, after a ribbon fan or something, where I can seen and quickly pull together four aces.

Take care guys.
MXRay
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On 2006-08-23 22:21, mxray wrote:
Dave, when I plainly said casino PARTY COMPANY (as opposed to working in a casino) I erroneously assumed anyone would have the good sense to realize it was a type of PARTY. My mistake. You're certainly entitled to your opinion of what I do, but I take exception at the "a view of me from the back " comment, which was unnecessarily classless.


Well, you're right about one thing, it IS your mistake. Read my post again. I even suggest that perhaps it is just for fun and if so then no problem. The bottom line is that your post isn't clear enough. Don't blame me for that. Unnecessarily classless? Seems to me you might be a bit 'unnecessarily sensitive'. I even said at the end of my post 'no offence to you', I was more aghast at the company for allowing you to do this but you chose to ignore that part I assume.

Lighten up. This is an open forum and people will have their say. Honestly, sometimes, these forums....

Dave.
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Lighten up. This is an open forum and people will have their say. Honestly, sometimes, these forums....

Dave.
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Dave,
I agree with that. You make a slight little slip and you will get chastised for it. Happened to me one time. Now I feel I have to proofread everything I write. I find some people are very thin skinned and they take offense to the most minute slip-up. Ok I had my say, now please get back to poor John Bannon's book as I just bought it...
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Well I guess no one is offering anymore effects they like from the book. Well I will check it out...
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I LOVE the book! I don't know if it is what you are looking for, but there are great effects in the book for card workers.
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I really do not want to sound negative about the book. But I am not that all impressed with it. It contains way too many Ace effects and the other items are Looong routines. Line of Sight was the only one that interested me for now.
I am hoping someone can change my mind about it. I have Bannon's other books, Impossibilia & Smoke & Mirrors, I found both of them filled with gems..Dear Mr. Fantasy, I do not like at all..Again, this is only my opinion as I am not knocking the book, just trying to find some good effects in it..
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On 2006-09-12 10:27, Rennie wrote:

I am hoping someone can change my mind about it.
Rennie


How exactly is someone expected to change your mind about a *magic* book? You learn the effects, you practice them, and you perform them in front of real people. Either they play or they don't.

There's not much more to be said. And if they don't play, you move on.

This whole thread seems like an excuse to bash a book.

Personally, I find DMF to be fantastic. Last Man Standing (and the variations thereof offered on another card forum) is a fantastic in-the-hands Triumph.

The Ace assemblies are quick, simple, and punch-packing.

Cull-de-sac is remarkably useful.

Dead Reckoning knocks the socks off of anyone who hasn't seen it.

And the CATO work is about as creative as creative gets.

*shrug*

My single gripe about the book is the shift in describing the tricks -- from normal description to narrative description in the Dead Reckoning effects. For whatever reason, I found the narrative description hard to follow the first few times through. But that's a nitpick.
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Dave, when I plainly said casino PARTY COMPANY (as opposed to working in a casino) I erroneously assumed anyone would have the good sense to realize it was a type of PARTY. My mistake. You're certainly entitled to your opinion of what I do, but I take exception at the "a view of me from the back " comment, which was unnecessarily classless.


Well, you're right about one thing, it IS your mistake.


No, actually, you're the one who made the mistake. His first post was pretty clear. If you were unfamiliar with companies that do casino gaming nights (usually for charity evenings and corporate events) you should have sought clarification before slamming him. Just saying...
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Rennie, I agree with you. The moves are difficult to follow. The Spectator Cuts the Aces is too involved-not clean as Malone's standard version. And half the book is mathimatical effects.

Bannon is a creative man but Fantasy missed the mark for me.
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Hi Gene,

I think Rennie's main point is the stress on ace effects especially in the first part of the book. I do think there is something to this criticism. Regarding the effect Final Verdict, I actually think Bannons handling is cleaner than Bill Malone's methodology in 'Cut'em High and Tie' and of course it can be adapted for this effect. Overall, I do like the routines in 'Dear Mr Fantasy' although I can appreciate the view that it is a bit top heavy with ace effects.

Regards,

Paul H
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Dear Mr. Fantasy does not hold a candle to Impossibilia or Smoke & Mirrors. It is a very disappointing book from the talented Mr. Bannon. Too bad, I guess he is just running out of ideas, which is to be expected.
I actually did not find anything in the book I liked.
This is just my opinion, so don't let me discourage anyone who is thinking of buying it. We all have different tastes.
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I'm just going to throw in a counter opinion here, Rennie. I thought the book was great, much better than "Smoke and Mirrors," actually. The thinking I found to be really sophisticated, I love the writing, and much more from this book has made it into my repetoire than from "Smoke and Mirrors." It's really a favorite of mine.
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