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I have been doing cups & balls for about a year now. I have a set of aluminum cups from penguin magic, if this helps any. I have been doing the same old routines over & over, and want to expand my knowledge.
I searched the Café for cups & balls dvds but didn't really find what I was looking for (I didn't realize there were so many different styles of cups).
Can anyone suggest a dvd that goes beyond "25 tricks with cups & balls" that would be helpful?
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At the extreme end would be Gazzo's "Uncensored" video.
Ammar has 2 DVDs
Rafael Bentar has a video.
Tommy Wonder...
The list goes on...


Typical is to learn a Vernon type routine and go from there.
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JB,
I haven't seen it yet (it's been pre-ordered) but Penguin Magic is releasing a new Gazzo Cups and Balls DVD.

It looks like a cleaned up version of his "Uncensored" and has several good features including an hour long street performance, a full explanation, a teaching session with one of his students as he coaches and critiques his performance, and C&B performances by two of his students. Some of the DVD takes advantage of "multi-camera" viewing and you can use your remote to switch from a front shot to overhead.

If you're looking for a clean, hard hitting, no frills performance you should do yourself a favor and check it out.
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What about all the Ammar stuff?
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I mentioned that above vandy. but there's also carl andrew's 2 cup routine which is nice as well.

there's also ron bauer's 3 cup routine for mini cups.

I sort of combined the two routines above for my mini cup routine.

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Oh yeah you did. Sorry. You know how it is... I don't have time to read all this crap, I just burst in and start spouting off.

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As mentioned, there are many publications on this subject. Ammar's videos and book are a great start. One of my favorites is Garcia's The Very Best of Cups and Balls. It is OOP but is widely available on ebay and used book dealers.
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What about the "Run Around Sue" routine by Ellis?

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Tim's routine is very entertaining.
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Thanks for the responses. After reading the responses and the threads provided above, I think I will start with one of the Ammar dvd's and go from there.
thanks again.
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J. PAUL BELL
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I hear Vernon has some good stuff, although I have never seen it before. Gazzo is a very popular one, but I personally do not care for it.
Michael Ammar has some good routines, and teaches some good moves.
I use two phases from his routine in my C&B routine.
I also use some of Mark Wilsons handling.
I recommend just looking around, and getting a bunch of slieghts, and phases off other routines, then make it to fit what you need.
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Check out Alex Elmsley's with salt final load, Scotty York's "X-Rated" and Al Schneiders "LA Cups" routine (all these are really unique). Not to mention Tommy Wonder's and Johnny Paul's great routine.
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I have been reading these threads about large loads for the cups. My cups are just barely too small for a tinnis ball. Will these cups be adequate for the dvd's mentioned? I know, "LOADED" question!
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Size does not matter as much as changne/surprise. Too big a load is harder to handle too.
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Pete,

Do you know if Scotty York's routine is still available? The "X-Rated" routine is on his Professional Bar...Vol 1 video but it's hard to find. Is it written up anywhere else?

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I believe it was printed in a small booklet.
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I have that booklet. It was printed around 1974 or so. Good luck finding a copy now.

I suggest looking for the "difficult to find" video rather than the "impossible to find" booklet.
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The video is still around ...hard to find?? Only if you look in the wrong place.

The booklet was around at old bok dealers and although interesting is better explained on the video. I have had both for years and until the video came out didn't perform it once. The booklet coulds use a rewrite of several of the points of the routine.
Try H&R magic for the booklet ....several others may have it as well.
I have not seen the booklet or video on Ebay.
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Another very good C&B video is the "Cups and Balls" from the Greater Magic Video Library (available from Stevens Magic Emporium). It features routines and teach-ins from Charlie Miller, Johnny Paul, Mike Rogers and Michael Ammar. First class stuff! If you had to choose only one video, however, it would have to be Michael Ammar's Cups & Balls (in two volumes).

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