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Hello Prestidigitators,

As I read and experiment, I realize that long, slender fingers with nearly 1/8" gaps at the bases (with fingers together, outstretched -- smaller gaps when hand is in fist) make things difficult for card palming, coin manipulations, and palming in general. Do you have any recommendations for (1) sleight of hand tricks that work well for people with hands like mine and (2) tips for working with this 'handicap'.

Many thanks,
-Ananda.
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My hands aren't as slender as they used to be, but I still have gaps where they don't close entirely. Try finding a position where the fingertips "overlap" each other a bit so rather than having a perfectly flat hand with gaps, you close the gaps and take advantage of angles so the gaps don't show.

I shot these two photos a while back during a previous discussion on this topic. Maybe they'll help explain what I mean better.

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Slightly angle your hands. don't palm things dead on. Work with a mirror.

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Thanks Dave and Josh. I'll experiment some more. If useful, I'll post a picture of my hand so you can see what I'm working with.

Thanks,
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I agree with the above, but palming is often as much about timing and misdirection than just the physical moves. I think those who are good at it know when to do it.
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For me the fear of palming with small hands was greatly reduced when I realized two things. Rotating the "windows" shuts them (per Josh's tip). When and with what misdirection/direction is as important, if not more important than how.(per Noel's tip)
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Relaxing the hands in a curved postion will help greatly.
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Moving the hand, when motivated to do so, will hide gaps. I have gaps between my fingers, yet that doesn't stop me from palming during the card routines. So many factors, including the ones mentioned, go into hiding the card. There have been great performers with handicaps far worse than gaps between the fingers, yet they could palm a card, successfully in performance.
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It can be done! I found it reassuring to read other threads on the Café where the hands of many of the "greats" are revealed to be small, full of gaps or other difficulties. My stubby little fingers and gaps suddenly seemed more manageable. So I practice...

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Bill Palmer hit the nail on the head when he suggested relaxing the hand in a curved position.

I also have "windows" between my fingers when they are stretched out straight. But those windows disappear with a proper finger palm, when the fingers are slightly curved, as they would be in normal use. SETH
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Hmmm. My 'windows' don't disappear when slightly curved, but 45 degrees off angle they are gone. I think it would seem rather unnatural to the viewer in many situations, though.

-Ananda
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...only if you call attention to it.
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I agree. There have been times that I've gotten away with palming items that are an inch and a half wider than my hand. ALWAYS have something more important to look at, and make the "dirty" hand the least important thing in the world.
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OK. I'm a klutz and can see that I will need to learn misdirection along with prestidigitation if I'm going to be effective. Any reading or video recommendations on the art of misdirection? I'll run a search shortly...

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I would suggest a small but excellent $7 pamphlet called "Don't Look Now," by Al Leech. It's available from Magic, Inc., click HERE to view, and Midwest Magic, click HERE to view.

For more information, you might also try Dariel Fitzgee's "Magic By Misdirection," click HERE for more info. I have not read this and can't comment; some say it is a little dry, others say it's helpful. There's also "Strong Magic" by Darwin Ortiz, click HERE for more info. This is an excellent, thoughtful book about showmanship and presentation that includes a fine chapter on misdirection. One caveat: in my opinion, it's not good for beginners because it references many different tricks and assumes a familiarity with them and their methods.

You can also do a search on the Café', where there are plenty of good posts and discussions about misdirection. Good Luck! SETH
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My recommendation is to eat more. That solution solved the problem I had with slender fingers and windows. Smile
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Thanks for the excellent suggestions on misdirection, Seth.

Larry, I'd thought about that one and decided to look for other solutions first. ;-)

Best,
-Anana
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Michael Close put out a great video years ago solely on the art of palming that you should definitely track down; I found it very helpful. I, too, have long fingers and big windows...but when I watch someone like Rene Lavand...or read about someone like Matthew Buchinger (an amazing conjuror who had no feet, thighs or arms!), well, our little problem doesn't seem so insurmountable. Besides, you know what they say about guys with big windows!
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On 2006-09-10 13:52, Prof. Pabodie wrote:
"...you know what they say about guys with big windows!"


Um, they flash in public?

Seriously, I used to have skinny fingers and windows and I found that relaxing my hands in a curved position worked for me, as Bill Palmer suggested above.
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Good advice all around.

The tricks people do nowadays rarely involve showing the hands empty unless they really are. Apart from card fan productions or such manipulations there are few instances of the hand being shown empty as part of a trick.

Most palming is done on the way to doing some thing else. The card is palmed as the deck is taken by the other hand and placed on the table, etc. Attention is focused and then released.

Does anyone suffer from palming guilt? I have friends whose faces you can read from a mile away, "I'm palming a card!" when they are just palming. But once they are in the Process of a routine, with something to do and a place to go, you will never suspect a thing.
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