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Ananda New user Jambudvipa 81 Posts |
Hi Guys,
I've been looking at cups and balls options and want to get recommendations on where to start. I'm still working on an Indian theme, but I don't have to use Indian cups. Any thoughts on: 1) Including chop vs. regular cups 2) Standard vs. Indian 3) Nice "you won't need to upgrade" cups, balls, & pad 4) Good instruction sources 5) Story ideas to go with cups and balls Thanks, -Ananda.
"All phenomena are like a magically conjured illusion, like a mirage, like the moon reflected in water, like empty space, like an echo, like a dream, like a shadow, like an image in a mirror." - Nagarjuna
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cfrye Special user Portland, Oregon, USA 940 Posts |
Just look through the postings in this forum; you'll find all of your answers in under an hour.
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Ananda New user Jambudvipa 81 Posts |
OK, I've been looking. So far I've gathered that it sounds like the Hindu Cups are more difficult to perform -- and that Sherwood Cups are the favorites.
Thanks, -Ananda.
"All phenomena are like a magically conjured illusion, like a mirage, like the moon reflected in water, like empty space, like an echo, like a dream, like a shadow, like an image in a mirror." - Nagarjuna
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Jerrine Special user Busking is work. 629 Posts |
Yep, I'd like me some Sherwoods alright! No diddly doubt about it. Smooth silver would be the ticket. Now back to my reality of steadily practicing, writing, and routining with the Copper by Bazar de Magia set I'm very happy with.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Here we go again...
For performing the audience could care less. Bob Read had one of the greatest entertaining routines using a paper cup, a coffee mug and an old cups and balls cup. Work out the kind of routine and attitude you want, then look over the types of cups that fit the style. For your own satisfaction, not worrying about the effect on the audience, then you use a different approach... buy a few dozen high end sets and play with them.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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sethb Inner circle The Jersey Shore 2719 Posts |
Many folks think the Indian cups are more difficult to work with, and they use somewhat different sleights than the standard C/B sets. I believe the Indian cups are designed to be performed while sitting on the ground -- also a little different from the usual tabled variety.
Probably more importantly, there is a LOT more material available on the standard C/B moves than there is on the Indian variety. Unless you have a specific desire or reason to go with the Indian cups, I would suggest learning the standard version first. And I would look at Michael Ammar's "Complete Cups & Balls" DVD set for a very thorough discussion of all the standard moves and sleights, click HERE for more info. Although you will find countless discussions about different sets of cups, the current inexpensive favorite seems to be the Bazar De Magia set, either in copper or brass, about $40. For more info, click HERE. [Make sure these are the Bazar cups from Argentina, not the Uday cups from India, which use the same design but are thinner and lighter.] I have the brass Bazar set and am quite satisfied with them; I think they're a good value and provide plenty of bang for the buck. Even a cheap $2 plastic wand will make them ring quite nicely when tapped. I would also suggest you get a spare set of Morrissey (Canadian) knit balls, in either 1" or 3/4" size depending upon the size of your hands, click HERE for more info. [The Bazar balls are OK but use a thinner yarn and are sometimes apt to "talk" in use.] Then go to any sporting goods store for a couple of lacrosse balls to use as final loads. They are cheap, indestructible, colorful, heavy and impressive, and will also clean up quickly in the sink with a little dishwashing detergent if they get dirty. There's my two cents, Good Luck! SETH
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
INdian cups are not harder. Matter of fact, with only slight changes in the handling, you can do a very nice Vernon-style routine while standing at the table. You can do a couple of nice moves if the indian cups are the right design. Look on the cups and balls museum site and check out my cups there. The tops, or handles, on mine allow some great moves that others do not.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Ananda New user Jambudvipa 81 Posts |
This is great -- very practical. Thanks guys!
Question: How do I access the cups and balls museum? -Ananda
"All phenomena are like a magically conjured illusion, like a mirage, like the moon reflected in water, like empty space, like an echo, like a dream, like a shadow, like an image in a mirror." - Nagarjuna
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swtrocks Loyal user Los Angeles 206 Posts |
Recently Bill Palmer, the owner of the Cups & Balls Museum, decided to password-protect the site. Check out the thread HERE to find out how to obtain the password.
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Ananda New user Jambudvipa 81 Posts |
Thanks for the pointer, swtrocks. Wow -- that was a fast response!
Best, -Ananda.
"All phenomena are like a magically conjured illusion, like a mirage, like the moon reflected in water, like empty space, like an echo, like a dream, like a shadow, like an image in a mirror." - Nagarjuna
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Mad Jake Inner circle All the voices in my head helped me make 2200 Posts |
The Biro Indian cups are GREAT! Pete, did you design those? They handle perfect!
Jake
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Jonton Veteran user New York City 336 Posts |
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On 2006-09-04 10:58, Jerrine wrote: couldn't agree more. I love my Bazar set, plus its affordable enough to get a few sets of for when one gets beat up too much. ~Jonton
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walid ahumada Special user sinaloa, mexico 892 Posts |
To get started any set of cups would do, even a cheap aluminum cups. it took me some years to get hooked to the cups and balls, some people loose interest on the cups and balls as they find new magic stuff
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AndyComic Loyal user 211 Posts |
If your after a cheap street set, I sell a kit that's includes copper cups,DVD, pouch, wand, balls and fake fruit for only $125. Just wanted to put in my two cents. Link for details or PM me.
Thanks, Andy P.S I shared a stall at FISM if you were there. Click here to view attached image. |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Andy:
Many of us sent you e-mails and PM's about your cups. You never answered any of them. This makes us a bit leery of dealing with you. You missed a lot of sales.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
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On 2006-09-04 13:50, sethb wrote: There are a couple of errors here. 1) Copper has gone up recently. The Bazar cups are now generally around $75 per set, at least. Some dealers still have them listed at $38 or so, but they are in for a shock when the next orders come in. You may hold their feet to the fire on these things and get the lower price, but they sometimes will honor the old price. 2) The Bazar cups are NOTHING like the Uday cups. The Uday cups are knockoffs of the Monti cups. The Bazar cups are similar to some of the older Morrissey cups. The Bazar cups have longer skirts and a larger diameter at the mouth. They also have a more rounded top. They are much better cups than the Uday cups. Check the museum for pictures to compare.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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CJRichard Special user Massachusetts 542 Posts |
I was VERY lucky to get Bazar copper cups for $32.99 or so from an eBay dealer at the end of the summer. At that time online stores had them priced at around $40 to $45, but many had them listed as "Out of Stock." I had to wait about eight weeks for my cups to arrive, because the folks I bought them from turned out to be out of stock, too. I'll bet they ate a price increase in the meantime.
I'm really glad I managed to (just barely) beat the price jump.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Are those cups any good? how is the weight of the bazar cups and the thickness of the copper? not expecting a miracle here... just wondering whether they are worth the new price.
do they take 3 on top? nice saddle? etc? thanks, frank
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flimnar Special user Salt Lake 577 Posts |
There are many starter sets of cups--some better than others. This is a great place to start. It is true that an excellent routine can be fashioned out of paper cups as well. That said, there is a qualitative difference between a starter set and an upper-end set of cups. The latter are, to me, a work of art created by a skilled craftsman. The heft and unique beauty of a nice set of copper cups really is a joy to perform with, even though they may all look the same to the audience.
Flimnar
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John Bowlin Special user Maryland 827 Posts |
The raw materials(copper) for making cups is such a small percentage of a set of cups overall cost that any huge increases in the price of cups has to be attributed to something other than copper prices. If the price of copper doubled tomorrow it would only justify a price increase of around $10 for a typical set of Bazaar cups. Copper right now has been floating around $3.50 per .lb. A set of bazaar cups I would imagine weigh in the neighborhood of 1.3 lbs. Those radical increases you speak of Bill have to be attributed to something else such as production problems or lack of demand causing limited availibilty. I have noticed recently that the Bazaar copper cups are becoming ever harder to find, especially in the $40 price range. I would suggest anyone out there contemplating inexpensive copper cups to pick up the Bazaar cups now while you can. I totally agree with Bill in the fact that the Uday cups are definately inferior to Bazaars. Sometimes when all these cheap knockoffs hit the market they are consumed by the less initated and those items in the middle range of quality suffer in sales. The Udays and MM's of the cup market may well make cups like the Bazaars a thing of the past. Competetion doesn't always have the best of effects in specialized markets. Of course it will have little to no effect on high quality makers such as RNT, Riser, Van Dokum...etc. Personally I'd do coffee cups and balls before I'd use Udays.
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