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I am looking for a set. PM me!
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If you don't find a set, I believe RNT2 was advertising a set that will work. I haven't personally seen the whole set. I do have the copper chop cup alone and it is great! Might be worth checking into since the Riser cups are so hard to come by.

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Flimnar, I guess you don't care to be on James' sell to list.
Abbascup, good luck. I love my Riser gear more than any other magic possessions.
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A Riser is the Riser, there is no substitute, period.
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My understanding is a Riser set is no longer an alternative in this size.....am I missing something? I'm a HUGE fan of Riser's work--no sleight intended!

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James reissues cups from time to time. Just check his site out.

If you can't get a set of those, don't forget about the Van Dokkum Minis. You can get them in stainless or brass.

And RnT II has many alternatives as well.
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On 2006-09-04 23:24, Josh the Superfluous wrote:
Flimnar, I guess you don't care to be on James' sell to list.
Abbascup, good luck. I love my Riser gear more than any other magic possessions.


What because Flimnar recommends RNT II he'll be cut from Jim's sell to list? Arrogance is bliss.

RNT II makes the mini PF which take a golf ball as a final load, the Foxy II minis also take a golf ball.
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I by no means represent James Riser. My comment was tongue in cheek, but he makes a very limited quantity and puts a lot of love into each piece, and therefore can be selective with whom he sells. I am aware of your differences and the bad blood between him and your company. If someone was looking for one of your products, and the first response they received was to look to another vendor, I'm sure you would be put off as well.
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Josh, if you check I have in the past and still recommend Jim's products. I had a client last week looking for a Salt Pour and referred him to Jim's site.

From an engineering and performer stand point my mini Riser's are just collectibles, each cup is a different height, yes the 3 cups are off from each other, in addition each cup has a flat spot, the exact same spot that appears on the Magic Makers Paul Faux cups that Bill Palmer points out on his site. Again while I recommend other products by Jim, the minis aren't one of them because of the above mentioned inconsistancies. I know cups that are handspun are all never exactly alike, but these differences are quite noticible.

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Poppycock!
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On 2006-09-05 17:11, Josh the Superfluous wrote:
Poppycock!

As I stated earlier Arrogance is bliss. I'll be posting a photo of the set I recieved with the exact flaws I mentioned.

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My experience with Riser products is perfection. My only experience with you, is your calling me arrogant.
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Well, these cups are far from Perfection, or maybe there are different levels of perfection. Basically from your remark of "Poppycock" you are claiming the imperfections in my Riser mini's do not exist, that is arrogance, so if the shoe fit's wear it.

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Here are the pictures, the first is the top of the 3 cups, each has the flat spot and dimple I mentioned....

http://www.quickstopengraving.com/cuppix/DSCN0950.JPG

This picture is the 3 cups next to each other, 2 differ in height, 1 has a bulge from the saddle to the shoulder and the shoulder beads are inconsistant.

http://www.quickstopengraving.com/cuppix/DSCN0951.JPG

So this is how I can say I can't recommend the minis, and after talking with another person, their set is the same way, and he claims that the weights are off by more than 1/10th per cup.

Again, I like Jim's work for the most part, however with this particular product there are engineering and obvious production issues, I'm not being unfair, quite objective actually as the pix provided show the claims. But again, our definitions of Perfection may differ, just like this set of cups.

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Innocent question: As an end user who probably will ever only own or even see one of these cups, does the size difference and flat spot really make a difference?
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My Babe cups and my Gazzo cups had rather large descrepancies in their height. Close to 3/16". The only time this made any difference at all was when they were stacked for display on a shelf.

My riser mini's were absolutely perfect as I started checking to see which cups had this difference.

In the end I opted for RNTII mini PF stainless cups for performing becuase they were easier for me to handle vs. the Riser minis. I think it was the height.

Personally, I cannot imagine how to hand-spin cups and have them end up the same height. Seems like a miracle. That's why I don't spin cups. I wish I did, tho.

Lucky for me both my Riser's and my RNTII cups worked out.
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Dave,

good question and the answer lies with the collectors. Collectors have set the standards we have and try to meet today. Some are very good points as a manufacturer to observe and some things are trivial, but none the less important to a collector and by no means should be ignored.

I've seen posts where one collector sent back a set of cups because the set number that was engraved on the inside bead was not up to par, some will send a set back due to a faint spin line, but again, neither of these points are unimportant to the collector, nor should they be to the person making the cups.

We had a set of cups come back because the mouth beads differed 1/32 from each other, again if it's important enough for the customer to notice and point out to us, it's important enough to watch in the future to make sure they are more accurate. If were to send out cups with flat spots, cup height difference and bead differences, both a performer and a collector would surely point this out.

This was not an attack on Jim, as I stated, I still refer people to his site for certain items because of their specific request. Bad blood or not, if a customer is looking for something in particular and Jim is the best person to seek out, I will continue to send them to his site. In this particular instance I only voiced as a "Collector" my disapointment with the set and the reason. I always maintain tangible proof of my claims with either documentation or photos.

I have numerous Riser products on display in my collection, which I display proudly, his craftmanship is top notch, but this particular item was not up to par.

Jake
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Probably not. You should see the current set of antique Indian Cups I'm using. They vary about 1/8th of an inch and I love 'em.
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The RnT II Paul Fox Mini's and Foxy II's will take a racquetball or a miniature tennis ball, such as those that are sold in pet shops. So will the Risers. These are slightly bigger than a golf ball.

The best golf ball to use in any mini cups is a fakini golf ball.

The three cups that came in my Riser mini set are very close in height and other specs. The one that came with my "Making of a cup" set is slightly shorter.

In the end, though, none of the differences will affect the way they handle.

I do like those Paul Fox mini's, though!
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On 2006-09-05 18:55, Bill Palmer wrote:

The best golf ball to use in any mini cups is a fakini golf ball.



I actually like using the Sponge Bob Square Pants golf balls, you can
get them in 6 packs from Walmart in the sporting goods. When Mike was shipping the smiley balls in the begining they were great, but that smiling Sponge Bob Face on the balls is just too cute and plays great with both adults and children.
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