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Ananda New user Jambudvipa 81 Posts |
Hi Guys,
I have been trying to get a realistic sense of what the Mother of All Book Tests routine looks like. Some product descriptions make it sound like a random spectator/volunteer turns to any page of an ordinary looking book and picks a word from the page. Then the mentalist tells the spectator his/her chosen word without any interaction after the word has been chosen. Some posts here make it sound otherwise. Can anyone here accurately describe the routine from the volunteer's/audience's perspective? Thanks, -Ananda.
"All phenomena are like a magically conjured illusion, like a mirage, like the moon reflected in water, like empty space, like an echo, like a dream, like a shadow, like an image in a mirror." - Nagarjuna
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dusty Veteran user 352 Posts |
Ananda,
The "Mother" is without any doubt the Rolls Royce of booktests. The effect in the eyes of the audience, they open a book, think of a word and you name it. From a performers side: they choose a word and with only one cleverly disguised question, you know the word they are thinking of. However there is so much more that this offers. If you simply name the rod you have wasted a vast amount of potential impact. Ted includes a very well written instruction book and gives lots of presentational tips. Am I qualified to comment, you judge for yourself, I have both the paperback AND the hardback version. Dusty AKA Max Gordon
Regards,
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Josh Zandman Special user 687 Posts |
Hi Ananda, definitely, definitely, DEFINITELY pick this up! This is the closest thing to perfect mentalism, ease, boldness and hard hitting impact you will ever find in a book test. You will see why Ted is one of the best thinkers and creators in mentalism today. I use this book ALL the time and the reaction falls no less than complete awe.
It is worth every single penny, especially if you are a performer. You will get many shows booked from this book alone From the audiences perspective, and there are many routines, but simply they pick a word or two spectators pick a word each and you devine the word(s) in any way you would like- you can reveal the word(s) visually which is even better in my opinion. I use Mothers Home Companion's method with two spectators and you really don't need to ask a direct question. Even if I was a 100% gifted, true mentalist who could read minds, I would still ask a question - I mean that's what people do when conversing It's the best |
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Ananda New user Jambudvipa 81 Posts |
Thanks guys.
Sounds attractive... It sounds like you guys are happy customers anyway! And it sounds like one (cleverly disguised) question will sometimes (but only sometimes?) be necessary. Is that right? Also, how difficult is this to perform (memorization, etc.)? Thank you, -Ananda
"All phenomena are like a magically conjured illusion, like a mirage, like the moon reflected in water, like empty space, like an echo, like a dream, like a shadow, like an image in a mirror." - Nagarjuna
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Josh Zandman Special user 687 Posts |
We obviously can't get more into it - but seriously you will not regret this purchase. Search the threads on MOABT and you will not see one negative review and that is hard to accomplish in this Café!
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icentertainment Inner circle 1429 Posts |
It's nice- but their is a cheap verson out at the moment using 2 paperback books that use the same priciply- but the name escapes me at the moment)
with regards to the question You are always going to have to do something to get the info but the question isn't straight out and ask- there are many many ways of asking without it appearing to be a question- Kinda hard to explain without revealing (like who is going to create a hard to create a hard back book like this anyway) the cost is arounf $750 Aussie dollars and I think it's worth it so at US prices it's a steal |
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Josh Zandman Special user 687 Posts |
Yeah I bought that rip-off book test, Economicon and it is not only poorly executed but it's an insult and disrespect to Ted. Don't even waste your money on Economicon. You get what you pay for.
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
MOABT all the way.
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Piers Inner circle A Limited Edition of 1394 Posts |
Indeed, the MOABT's is a proven classic.
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ChuckHickok Loyal user 245 Posts |
Let me offer a different perspective about the MOABT after using it for over 10 years.
When used BY ITSELF in a single-book telepathy demonstration, it will amaze some people ...but some audience members will think " magic trick" ! It will fool some people, but that's not the best way to use it. The MOABT is the perfect prop for concluding a multi-book telepathy demonstration. In that setting, it creates the minimum suspicion ... and still amazes people. I use it regularly in this manner. My routine (Books Galore) is in my books. Like any prop used in a mentalism act, the MOABT can be used skillfully and amaze people ... or it can be used improperly and cause people to think "magic trick". Chuck Hickok Mentalism, Incorporated: Vol I and Vol II |
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Ananda New user Jambudvipa 81 Posts |
Hi Guys. MOABT sounds like a winner. Thank you Chuck for your perspective.
"All phenomena are like a magically conjured illusion, like a mirage, like the moon reflected in water, like empty space, like an echo, like a dream, like a shadow, like an image in a mirror." - Nagarjuna
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
Chuck has a great point. I "usually" always give them a choice with MOABT. However, if you are doing close up and not a stage show, it could lead to them asking to use the impromptu version for a MOABT effect.
I am always testing my effects on a nonpaid audience and just now I discovered this the hard way. I had MOABT sitting on my desk and used it on a real intelligent always figuring out skeptic tonight. I took a chance and nailed the first letter and word on the first try!!! Later he back tracked and wanted to see the book so I told him of course you didn't choose the page I did downplaying it. To take the heat off, I then switched to the RIchard Busch impromptu book test doing a riffle but he caught on immediately. I used different book for this also...he knew how I did it. That is a first but it was totally my fault because I needed a distraction. Im still 100 pct on MOABT and it has been through some real testing. It certainly passed with flying colors tonight. I like Dracula and MOABT for a choice.
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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
The Mother of All Book Tests is not as clean as the description in the original question. And while it certainly is a wonderful book test, there are many other great book tests available and more on the way. And, the principle that Mother is based on was not developed by Ted Karmilovich. He stated that the basic concept went back to U.F. Grant in an effect called "True Test." In fact, in a recent phone conversation with Sam Schwartz he said it goes back even before Grant... quite likely to Richard Himber in one of his book or magazine tests.
I have not seen Economicon but if it uses the LWF principal, it's not ripping off Ted any more than it rips off Himber, Terri Rogers, Larry Becker, or Tony Raven. All of these people have created and sold book or magazine effects which use this same underlying principle. There will be another out soon. I'm one of the three creators. While we do use the LWF principle, our effect combines three different effects into a single book. You get two books and either can be freely selected for this routine. There will be a bonus routine which uses both books and yet another principle. In the case of all three effects we have brought much new work and thinking to the table. Even in the case of the LWF, we have added a brilliant new concept from Tony Chaudhuri and Bill Nagler which is is significant improvement. Dennis Loomis P.S. If you don't know what the LWF principle is please don't PM me and ask. This is a topic for the banquet room only on this forum. In a week or two I'll have a special page on my own web site which discusses the new book test in detail and explains just what you're buying should you decide to purchase it. There will be a simple screening procedure which all mentalists and magicians should be able to pass.
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Josh Zandman Special user 687 Posts |
First of all Dennis Economicon is a RIP OFF. Even though the principle Ted uses is very old, Ted used it in a NEW way with a NEW method that was never done before, thustly creating his own and original effect and method. Ted's MOAB has never been done before. Yes, Larry Becker uses the principle in his OWN way and they are very good friends btw who share ideas and respect each other.
Speaking of respect, I have seen your new book test and it is a COMPLETE RIP OFF of Ted's MOAB - I can't believe you are going ahead and releasing this. You are going to damage your reputation severely. It is obvious you are unsure of yourself and your actions on putting your new book test out because you have posted in guilt. You were highly advised and respectfully asked not to release your new book test, but you are still going ahead with it and that is a shame. You are cheapening the genius effect that came before you and as you know the magic community is small and word spreads very fast. Am I angry? Yes! Ted has released only 2 effects to the public and one effect in a video series. Leave it alone and create something new. Are you trying to make money from this by selling a cheaper mock version? It doesn't work! After I wasted my money on Dynamite Book Test I had my own personal opinion on you as a creator. Now that you are doing this I have lost all respect for you. I hardly EVER post negative feedback on these forums, but what you are doing is wrong. Josh |
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ThomasBerger Special user 593 Posts |
"It sounds like you guys are happy customers anyway! And it sounds like one (cleverly disguised) question will sometimes (but only sometimes?) be necessary."
My 2 cents worth on this-- NO questions are necessary. If you want, you can do this 100% correct beginning to end, every time you perform it. See Principia Mentalia or Barrie Richardson. This is mandatory reading IMO. On the second issue-- "Even though the principle Ted uses is very old, Ted used it in a NEW way with a NEW method that was never done before." This tells me you have no idea what the UF Grant effect is. I am guessing you haven't read the realated Barrie Richardson work either. If you told a child how the Grant effect is done, they would easily extend it to the MOAB. The principle is the same. Any layperson could work out MOAB if they knew Grant. It's not the principle that has changed, just more of it. More words and more pages. "Ted has released only 2 effects to the public and one effect in a video series." Are you aware of The Bold and the Beautiful? It is directly related to Al Mann's Tesseract. Cheers, Tom |
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Josh Zandman Special user 687 Posts |
Related maybe, not a rip off.
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Dennis Loomis 1943 - 2013 2113 Posts |
To Josh,
I am sorry you feel as you do. It's hard to have a good conversation about all of this without getting into methods. I just don't see how I'm taking anything of Teds when the basic idea of the method is something he admits he did not create. Yes, he expanded the QUANTITY but Grant would quite likely have understood the possibility of using it as Ted did, but it was prohibitively expensive in Grant's day. And, there's a new suggestion from Sam Schwartz that it goes back even further than Grant. Sam suggests that the original idea may have been Richard Himbers. Since Ted's 95 (and still sharp as a tack) he remember things lots of us don't. Besides, my use of each of the principles also has new elements. Earlier in the thread it was suggested that MOAB should probably not be used singly. I'm not sure that's a problem, but I certainly agree that it can be strengthened in concert with other effects and that's exactly what my new book test does. The combination of three fundamentally different methods for very similar effects causes a cancellation of methods for thinking lay people. First, there's a FREE choice of the book from the two provided. This alone is markedly different from MOAB. For the first two phases the pages are chosen at random. But, you ask them to look at the first word, and then the last. But then, in the third phase, they can choose the word. During two of the phases you clearly don't know what page they are using, but the one time you do, it's important. I guess my point, Josh, is that if you feel that what Ted did to change his predecessor made it a new effect and a new method, than so does my new book test. It was very carefully thought out and two years of development went into it. Meeting all of the conditions for getting all three methods into EVERY page of the books was a bigger challenge than MOAB. The book does not betray its secrets easily and can be freely handled to laypeople to look over. Sure, you don't want to send them home with it, but no one's going to find anything in performance. And, it can be done over and over with different words coming up in the three phases. (The first phase has 21 different words which can be selected, the second phase has 17, and the last phase 22.) Additionally, the instructions we are providing a far more complete than what you usually see. You can do the effect with a crib, but it's far better to do it from memory as you will see me do on the clips. We give numerous memory techniques and the complete mnemonics I used to memorize it to aid the buyers. Josh, I am in no way unsure of myself or guilt laden. I am proud of the work and thinking that went into this. I can't take all of the credit, as my friends Tony Chaudhuri and Bill Nagler contributed greatly to the project and the best of the new thinking (which we are calling the "ticket" principle) is theirs, not mine. I have been doing this very often, as have several beta testers and it plays very strongly. It's become one of my favorite effects. When it's released, three video clips (one of each of the three built in effects) will be made available on assorted web sites. Tom, I'm trying to find out more about a lot of Al Mann's work. He published very limited quantities of many things. Care to tell us more about Tesseract. I had a phone conversation with Devin Knight in which he tried to recall the details of one of Al's book tests. He thought that Al might have used the LWF principle as well. I've not been able to track that down. Is Tesseract a book test? The best to all. I shall try to keep the heat out of any further comments I may post to this thread. It's possible to agree to disagree. What you have read here so far is quite negative, but I've had tons of positive response to it as the advertising will mention briefly. In the mean time, best to all, even those that do not agree with me. Dennis Loomis
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Josh Zandman Special user 687 Posts |
I said my thoughts and I'm sticking with them. I am done with this thread, but I assure you there will be many more posts like mine from many other people in the near future.
Sorry to those who know me as a positive person. ok, back to creating! Best, Josh |
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Looch Inner circle Off by 3362 Posts |
A while ago I was in conversation with a friend about having a bookshelf @ home with nothing but booktests on it. For times when prospective clients are visiting and can be given free choice of any book. Obviously if you have impromptu versions which lets be right we ALL should have severel methods. But mixing booktests into a single presentation is a great idea and completely throws off any possible reverse engineering the spectatorss may try and construct.
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bubbleburst2004 Veteran user 370 Posts |
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On 2006-11-29 21:33, Dennis Loomis wrote: But then you feel it's fine to expose a NW on your publicly accessible web pages and ask people to put 2+2 together. No wonder people are beginning to...wonder. http://www.loomismagic.com/booktest.html |
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