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Hello, Noel M
There is a bit in Books of Wonder on how to make rubber balls sound just like real billiard balls. Worth looking into.

I thought the real point of the final load is to show the spectators a real suprize, to get them into a state of wonderment. Large loads that are thematic with the other props is good (I like tidy), but to really shock people you ought to bring in objects that they cannot expect, yet will instantly recognize. They should have no doubt of the loads reality or legitimate-ness but should be stuck for how things got to this point.

My favorite reaction has always been, "That just ain't right."

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Here's a link to that final load reference.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......46&9
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Hi Bill,

I couldn't access the link to the "final load reference". Do I need 50 posts to access it?

Thanks
Rick
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Yes Rick, you can read about the access restrictions here
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I purchased large red knit-covered balls that look just like my small balls. There's something I like about the final loads being large versions of what they've just seen instead of non-sequitors.

I guess some folks wouldn't want that for the same reason I do want that; they may like the idea of something totally different. But instead of the "wow he snuck something else and big in there" reaction, there is something that feels more magical to me about it maybe being the same balls, just magically huge, or something along those lines.

Not that that would be their intellectual reaction -- they may know as they walk away that it was a completely different ball, but still, they are expecting a small knit ball, and so having a large ball that looks the same keeps the focus on the magic of it being a huge object rather than surprising them with a completely new idea to process.

Just my feelings.
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I'm sure some people have done this, but I'm working out a very different cups and balls sequence that is pretty simple, and ends with the production of 4 silver dollars to do a coin routine with then produces a jumbo coin, then the dollars turn into balls again for the cups and balls, and ends with 3 tennis balls and a baseball that doesn't fit the cups... I tested it out for my sister and a few friends and they couldn't believe their eyes! I don't think I'm gonna keep it, but it is pretty interesting, especially for anybody that has never seen the cups and balls

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Josh:

Get the Mendoza DVD's. He has some excellent thinking on just this subject.

Stevie:

That's an interesting idea, particularly if the time away from the cups is not too long. Otherwise, the cups become a running gag, but they don't run long enough for a running gag, if you know what I mean.
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Josh

Very nice idea, I like it!
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I use my sponge balls, in my show I do a routine previously in which I refer to my spongeballs as the Cookie Monster's Hairballs, so when they appear under my cups this always gets a laugh as they are reminded of the humour of the hairballs appearing all over the place. It's somewhat of a running joke within my show.

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I would never use sponge balls, as the most powerful part of the ending is the audience realizing that more than one final load could never fit under the cup at the same time. They always try.

With sponge balls,gosh, all of them could have been hidden in the cup from the beginning.
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I would never use sponge balls, as the most powerful part of the ending is the audience realizing that more than one final load could never fit under the cup at the same time. They always try.

With sponge balls,gosh, all of them could have been hidden in the cup from the beginning.


The Johnny Paul routine changed my perception on this. The best cups and balls routine using sponge balls I ever seen.
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Hello Josh

Yes, this is a problem that I battled with early in construction of my routine. I simply battle this by regularly letting the spectators see completely inside the cups. I play this as incidental to the routine obviously but they can all plainly see that the cups are empty. Also playing off the fact that most spectators have never seen a sponge ball before, of course we know that we could put 20 sponge balls in there but they don't know that Smile Of course it helps the I use 1 and a half inch sponge balls and 2 inch cups so it appears as if the cup is almost filled to the brim with sponge.

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I did a private party last Friday night. I knew there was going to be a lot of drinking. My final loads were a salt shaker, a shot of tequila, and a lemon. It went over well.

About a year ago, I saw a magician at the Magic Castle do this with a Chop Cup. I do not remember his name.
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I don't think I would use spomge balls as a final load. However, it would make things simpler for me when using the Monster cups.
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On 2006-09-18 10:23, Joshua Lozoff wrote:
I would never use sponge balls, as the most powerful part of the ending is the audience realizing that more than one final load could never fit under the cup at the same time. They always try.

With sponge balls,gosh, all of them could have been hidden in the cup from the beginning.


I agree that sponge balls are not good final loads. Although Johnny Paul uses them in his routine, he uses the sponge balls as the 'normal' balls and a lemon as a final load.
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I think you can use sponge balls for a final load to lead into the sponge balls into a spectator's hand. That works especially well with the bowl routine.

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True.
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To those of you who don't know, David Regal has a pretty interesting cups and balls routine. He starts off telling a story of his childhood using the small plastic yellow, red, and blue cups and the little fuzzy balls that you get with a beginning magic kit. Then he says that we all grow up and takes out 3 large metal cups. He performs his routine, and for final loads he produces 3 larger balls, and then immediately produces the blue, yellow, and red plastic cups with 3 balls!
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I bought a set of the felt covered balls from theambitiouscard.com and asked Frank to make me up a set of matching final load balls as big as my cups could handle, these make a great impact as giant versions of the normal balls and add to the wow factor of then producing 3 lemons as the final final load.
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Use any thing you have in mind, just make sure is big, solid and in my opinion just 3 final loads are enough, even stronger than 1+3, I used to like vernon's way, but after a wile I stoped doing it.
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