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I hope he is good to his word and keeps it to himself.

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I don't care if DC keeps the method to himself- Good for him... I would just like to see it performed (live or a quick vid)

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DC? David Copperfield?
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Maybe that's why Garcia "cannot and will not show this to anyone" - Copperfield bought the rights! Mystery solved.
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I would sure suck if someone were to read about the effect here and come up with a method and publish it...

...taking the credit from DG.
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"I would sure suck..."

Ah Bill do not be so hard on yourself. You would not suck. :-D

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I am pretty sure that happens all the time.


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On 2006-09-16 01:46, wsduncan wrote:
I[t] would sure suck if someone were to read about the effect here and come up with a method and publish it...

...taking the credit from DG.


That wouldn't suck, it's good for people to be creative. If they're going to put it out they might want to think about giving credit to Daniel for the idea, but everytime you come up with something credit isn't always due. The guy who invented the condom didn't come out and say "Yea I'd like to thank that guy at the grocery store for giving me those plastic bags instead of paper, 'cause even though they didn't hold my food good they sure were able to hold something else!"

Giving credit shouldn't be mandatory, they're not stealing anything, but rather expanding on a simple idea like the ice cube, so they can make an ice sculpture.
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Good point mattisdx.

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Lol , that's funny mattisdx. good point really!
I wouldn't be very surprised to see someone come up with a method for this in the near future.
if you think about it , what happened here is some pretty good advertising Smile
I guess Daniel has his reasons for not releasing this.it does sound like a very nice effect.
while I am curious about this I would also feel bad for Daniel if someone else would work it out and release it.

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I guess I can relate to this with my distorted way of thinking, BUT if someone did come up with a solution to DG's trick, wouldn't that be just like Guy Hollingworth and his Reformation? If you asked Guy back in 1996 when he toured and lectured through out the US, what was your inspiration for the trick. He said, "David Copperfield with the torn & resotred hockey card". I mean anyone could have figured out his inspiration, but it is the same as this. An effect was demonstrated with no method given, so in the Hollingworth case, he came up with a method. I do not think that is a bad thing. Cheers,

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On 2006-09-16 01:46, wsduncan wrote:
I would sure suck if someone were to read about the effect here and come up with a method and publish it...

...taking the credit from DG.


You know, I've been pondering what the reason could be behind JM's original post and your concern regarding credit could be the solution. The post establishes the time and place of Garcia's effect. It will make it difficult for anyone to claim they thought of it first.

This probably isn't a marketing ploy. I don't get that kind of vibe from what I've seen of Garcia on video. He seems more straight forward. I do think it does establish the effect and who created it.

But the post does put Garcia in a tough spot. He won't be able to sit on the Martini Change for long. You're right,wsduncan. People will come up with a method. Guaranteed. And they will publish it.
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On 2006-09-16 08:55, mattisdx wrote:
That wouldn't suck, it's good for people to be creative.

We seem to have different ideas of creativity. To me taking someone else's original idea and trying to work it out is about as far from "creative" as a person can get.

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The guy who invented the condom didn't come out and say "Yea I'd like to thank that guy at the grocery store for giving me those plastic bags instead of paper, 'cause even though they didn't hold my food good they sure were able to hold something else!"

Yeah, um. The condom predates grocery bags by more than a century my friend...

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Giving credit shouldn't be mandatory, they're not stealing anything, but rather expanding on a simple idea like the ice cube, so they can make an ice sculpture.

Wow. I can't believe someone actually thinks that. Suppose you had an original idea, showed it to someone and then found out that he had taken the idea, come up with an inferior method, published it and made a ton of money on your idea. So that when you do try to publish your method people don't buy it because the other method is "easier"? Worse yet, the call the trick the "Goshman Pennies" because they don't know it was your invention?
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On 2006-09-16 15:26, wsduncan wrote:
We seem to have different ideas of creativity. To me taking someone else's original idea and trying to work it out is about as far from "creative" as a person can get.

only one way of doing cups & balls ....
only one way of doing t&r paper ......
only one way of doing c&r rope ......
only one way of doing coins across ....

welcome to wsdworld ....

No thanks!
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Intersting how this discussion has gone.
It is a creative endevour to come up with a solution to a problem when no methods were given as to how it can be accomplished.
Hence we have tons of versions of effects that are pretty much the same.
In coins we have:
Matrix
Thee Fly
Actuall Any Coins Accross

In Cups and Balls we have a lot of different methods based on a handful of sleights.
In Cards ...well for years now we have several very creative guys that see a problem and come up with numerous solutions basedon their knowledge of sleights. Can you say Marlo or Racherbaumer or Ackerman...not to mention the legendary Lorrain??

The argument that a effect described is not being creative is the very way that some find their creative outlet and many come up with both the effect and method on their own. I doubt Justin had any agenda ..he was just describing something he saw.
Should Danny release this ...who cares if he does or does not ...someones description is out there and the credit is his...though we did not hear where his inspiration for the effect came from ....I don't really care cause it sounds like good magic to me.
Later,
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This effect sounds similar to Tim Conover's routine where he take a some coins (quarters I think) spills the from a clear glass has someone pick one,note the date,drops them all in then glass,shakes the glass,spills them back to the table and all but the noted coin is bent. Then the chosen coin dropped in the glass shaken up and dumped out to show its now bent.In plain site for all to see.

I know one is a coin change (plus the added bonus of naming which coin the original coin will change into) and the other is a bend, but pretty much the same idea (coin dropped into a clear glass is altered in one way or the other). So I agree someone will probably come up with a method, but I'm with Bill they should give credit where credit is do, if for nothing else out of respect for whoever created the original effect, and out of respect for the art of magic.

Also IMO I think that if Danny doesn't want to release his effect then anyone that wants to work out a method should get permission from Danny to even try and, work out a method.

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First, let me say I hate commenting in these types of threads, however:

I think they are a bit different Joe... Tim's routine he is basically switching the coin before its placed in the glass, which is basically the same as doing it in the purse or spectators hand. Granted I never took my eyes off the coins and they still bent (wtf tim?) but still the basic idea is the same as much of other coin magic.

The key defining feature of this, is not the usage of the glass or usage of the coin changing to something named, but really that the spectator places the coin inside and merely by swishing the glass around it changes with the magician never going into the glass (if this actually happened as Justin states).

So the key thing would be the switch as the glass is held by the stem and never going into the glass.

Anyway, back to claims of inspiration, crediting and speculation!
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LOL.

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Well it sounds amazing. What else can anyone really say?
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On 2006-09-16 17:43, cheesewrestler wrote:
only one way of doing cups & balls ....
only one way of doing t&r paper ......
only one way of doing c&r rope ......
only one way of doing coins across ....

welcome to wsdworld ....

No thanks!

Sorry, but that's just a poor analogy. The things you cite are TYPES of effects not specific effects such as the one detailed in the original post.

It would be more correct to say "only one person doing cups and balls with steel ball bearings", at least until Paul Gertner published his version...

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