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Jonathan Townsend
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Dan, perhaps you might use the gaff from yours and some of your handling to combine yours and his routines?
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Jon, yes I actually do an unpublished version Coinvention Crossing with the gaff I use in Four Coins Your Hands, I was going to publish it, but then I remembered a routine of Troy Hooser's in his Silver Surf II notes that was very similiar so... he beat me to the idea Smile

Which now that you mention it, Troy uses this toss a coin that never goes move of Homer's in that routine as well.
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[quote]On 2006-09-20 21:50, Dan Watkins wrote:
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I incorporated Homer's "Visibly throwing the coin across that never goes" move into my Coinvention Crossing routine, as well as the subsequent retrieval.


For some reason I thought that was a move of Latta's.

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The concept of throwing a coin across, but then showing it did not go was indeed published by Geoff Latta in “Four Coins Across” Tannen’s Magic Manuscript (Sept./Oct. issue 1987). During one of the NYC Coin Magic Seminars I asked Geoff to perform this routine - the actual video performance of it is in the Bonus Sectoin of the NYC Coin Magic Seminar Vol. 1 DVD.

Geoff's use however was a closed handed usage in order to give him a reason to setup a subsequent HPC. He threw a coin across and caught it, both hands are closed, then he slaps coins to the table to show the appropriate number of coins in each hand. (It is similar in nature to Slydini's feint of brining both hands together quickly before coins through the table - it creates suspicion to motivate a HPC "proving sequence").

While Homer is indeed throwing a coin across that is then seen to never go, that is where all simularities end. Homer's usage is completely different in both mechanics and effect. It is an instantaneous visual effect you see the coin go, and you immediately see that it did not - it creates an immediate visual paradox.

On the mechanics of it, Geoff tosses a coin and catches it in his closed fist. That's it.

Homer tosses a coin, he has to instantly hide a coin and produce a coin before the thrown coin lands in his palm up hands. The hands remain palm up in view the whole time.

While we are on the topic, I have heard that John Kennedy had some type of throwing a coin across that never goes type move as well, but I personally only heard this second hand.
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On John Kennedy's Translocation, there is a phase where you flick a coin across, but then see that it did not go.
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Brian, where did you see that? It is not in Kennedy's Lecture notes where he published "Translocation".

The only thing like that I have seen is Mike Gallo's routine "Sliding Eagles" which is somewhat of a combination of "Translocation" and "Fechter's Flying Eagles."

Mike openly kicks a coin across the table to under his other hand, and then immediatly shows the coin never went.
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Dan, where does that tabled bit come from. Fechner? Gallo?
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On 2006-09-21 22:43, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
Dan, where does that tabled bit come from. Fechner? Gallo?


Jonathan...the tabled bit comes from me, based off Latta's mid-air bluff. And Dan, the routine is actually a combination of Fechter's "Flying Eagles" and Roth's "Chink-a-Chink". I had never heard of "Translocation" at the time I developd that routine.

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Dan, your right. I have personally never read John Kennedy's notes on Translocation, I saw a magician a few years ago doing an effect and I was told that it was Kennedy's Translocation. I guess it was just a variation.
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Mike, where is your "Sliding Eagles" routine available?
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Sliding Eagles is taught on the New York Coin Magic Seminar Vol. 1 DVD
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Any word of what other content will be available on this dvd? And where does CoinOne go from here? I'd definately like to see the numbers increase greatly... CoinTwo, CoinEight, CoinTwenty... Smile
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John Kennedy published a routine in his first set of lecture notes a back clip style coins across that contained a visible coin flying from hand to hand without anything happening. This set of notes is pretty rare as John "upgraded" the notes soon after the first few lectures and this item wasn't included.

Homer actually reminded me of John's routine. Homer's handling is much different than John's.

If you haven't spent time studying John's work do yourself a favor and check it out. I've always thought John's magic is about as magical as it gets. I was lucky to see him work all of the time at the Brook Farm. He really has a wicked sense of humor.
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Mr Kohler

Will you be releasing this dvd?

thanks
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I only helped Homer with some of the final production. Homer did everything. It's amazing.

The release will only be available direct through his website at http://www.homerliwag.com. The site is currently not active but it will open for business as soon as the DVD's are packaged.

I watched a final product all the way through yesterday and discovered two more really terriffic ways to end the routine. One in particular would have taken me to the cleaners.

If you do coin magic this one is a no brainer. If you don't do coin magic this one is a no brainer. The trick is fabulous. I'd call it "best in class'.

It's a joy to see Homer's attention to detail. I've known both Homer and Chris Kenner for many years. Both of these guys are creative, relentless in their pursuit of perfection and attention to detail. They both have eyes that see things most miss. They were that way when I met them, working with David Copperfield has only refined these skills. Mr. Copperfield has been number one for a very long time, and he's really still number one. No one in the history of magic has been more successful or seen by more people. Count the number of TV appearences and live shows. It's staggering.

This level of success is only achieved through hard work. These guys work at perfection every day for at least 12 hours a day. And that's a minimum. It's starts at the top with David, Chris runs everything, Homer and Cathy Daley are the rest of the core team. These guys flat out get it done day in and day out.

CoinONE is a great opportunity to absorb this attention to detail and to understand why it's necessary to push things to the limit to achieve greatness. Perhaps the most overwhelming thing to me is that Homer basically stayed up all night for a couple of weeks making this DVD for you. You can tell by the rings under his eyes!

CoinONE has certainly inspired me.
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"I watched a final product all the way through yesterday ...."

the DVD is ready to ship?

Thank you
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEs the dvd is ready to ship!!
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If you go to the site (www.homerliwag.com) the site is up and taking orders which are to be shipped the week of Oct. 2. Paypal is accepted.
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Thank you everybody for your enthusiasm and great posts about my new DVD CoinOne. I appreciate all the kind words and fun discussions.
Visit http://www.homerliwag.com to see the latest information on my first DVD.
The first production of DVD's are scheduled to arrive the week of October 2nd, and due to the high demand, shipments will be made in the order received.

CoinOne teaches my visual coins across that I have been doing for almost twenty years. The DVD is a concise in-the-hands tutorial. I wanted to avoid the long boring explanations and provide only the information needed to learn the routine correctly...everything you need to know and nothing else. Any of the basic coin sleights can easily be found in standard coin magic books. CoinOne was originally entitled Four Coins and a Filipino and was published in Chris Kenner's hard-to-find magazine Magic Man Examiner. As a bonus, Chris Kenner performs and explains his great coin routine, The Deep, from his book, Totally Out of Control.

Again, thank you for your continued interest and your wonderful comments. It is very flattering. I hope you enjoy CoinOne.

Sincerely,

Homer Liwag
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Just placed a pre-order!

Thank you Homer for releasing this to the magic community after all these years! I'm sure that many have been waiting with bated breath to finally learn the infamous "Four Coins and a Filipino" routine (including this Chinese guy Smile). Now it can be learned visually from the SOURCE.

The visuals and audio production from the trailer are excellent. All the diligent efforts to make CoinOne a perfect DVD is evident. May it bring you much success!

Ahem...I would like to place a pre-order for CoinTwo to CoinTen please Smile? Keep them coming Homer!

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